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While you are theologically correct, the wording of your post was totally out of bounds, especially as a moderator. We are not suppose to call names, and you are a master at giving others a three point penalty when they (I) call another person an idiot. Yet, you, who are charged with enforcing the rules, turn right around and call someone a liar, not once, but several times.

You have nothing to base your statement on that "you have called into question the veracity of the Bible." The Bible is a large Book, with the total Word of God. One point that you do not agree with does not mean that the said person denies the Bible.

You had no right to say "it seems that I should ask you if you are really saved" which is nothing but a round about way of saying you are not saved. There is nothing to support that statement based on one post in one thread.

Believe it or not, your opinion of what the Bible means is not Inspired. So now, what I want to know is how do I give you a nine point penalty for calling someone a liar three times?

 

1 Corinthians 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
I don''t call people idiots.
This scripture is plain however.
Paul said he saw the risen Lord.

Was he lying?
Is awaken calling him a liar?
Is the Bible lying about his testimony?
Is awaken lying about both the Bible's testimony of Paul, and Paul's testimony of himself?
Why does awaken continue to persist that Paul never saw the risen Lord, when Paul, in no uncertain terms, said he did?

There is no ambiguity here. There is nothing to debate. It is not up for discussion. It is a straight denial of Scripture. Why lie about it? What is the agenda here? I would like to know. And I don't think I am wrong in asking.

 

I believe I said you were theologically correct in all aspects. There are better ways to point out error than call someone a liar, especially from one charged with enforcing the rules. IMO, a person who calls repeatedly, a person with mental illnesses, a person that is receiving punishment from God, is an idiot. I work in the industry, know the Bible, and know this is not so. Yet, you issue three points. Who issues you nine?

The theology of the matter is clear. That is a fact. Your use of names and questioning someone's salvation is up for debate.

 

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Read the entire chapter. Paul is defending his apostleship to the Corinthians for at least the third time now. He spent two chapters doing this in the first epistle. And now here. He must constantly defend himself against the false teachers in the Corinthian church who say that Paul is not an apostle, but in reality the false teachers themselves are false apostles.
They are taking the true believers away from the truth.

For example, just look at the preceding verses:
2 Corinthians 11:10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

 

There were always by false-Christs on this earth. That doesn't mean Christ is physically on this earth. The Bible tells us plainly to beware of false Christs and of anti-Christs.
There are false apostles today, and always have been. We have the "Apostolic Church," The Mormon Church, both of which believe they have apostolic lineage. In fact the Mormons believe they can trace their ancestry right back to Adam. That doesn't make it true. Just because people claim things doesn't make the claim true. Neither does it make the opposite thereof possible for today.

 

The apostolic age ended at the end of the first century. The apostles have all died. So have the prophets who lived at the same time. The gift of prophesy ceased with the apostles.
The rest of the ministries mentioned are still in operation. God still calls: evangelists, pastors, and teachers. Why? For the sanctification of the believers in the local churches.

No church will ever reach perfect unity of the church, but we can reach a semblance of the unity of the faith. I believe in our church we have a unity of the faith. We are not divided over doctrine. We agree to the same statement of faith. We have good teachers and pastors. I can't speak for other churches, but I can speak for my own.

As to your other two questions, ask yourself? Have you attained? If not why not? Perhaps you are in the wrong church.

 

Common sesne, awaken; common sense! How do we know anything about history.
How do we know when the 19th Dynasty (the Age of the Ramses) ended?
--The same way we know when the Apostolic Age ended.
The Age of the Ramses, the 19th Dynasty was from 1293 B.C. to 1185 B.C. It began when Seti I (who later became Ramses the Great) defeated the warrior kings of the 18th Dynasty. During this famous reign the Dynasty went through 8 different leaders ending with the reign of a queen who could not keep control of the country. She was ousted in a revolt led by [FONT=&quot]Setnakhte, the founder of 20th Dynasty.

The Apostolic Age began at Pentecost, and ended, likewise, with the death of the last Apostle, John, ca. 102 A.D. It is history that backs this up.

Would you also like me to tell you of the House of Tudor of England? When it began and when it ended? Of the famous "Bloody Mary of Tudor," that zealous Catholic queen who persecuted everyone who wasn't Catholic. It ended when the last Tudor either died or was overthrown.
The answer to your question is obvious. The Apostolic Age ended with the death of the last Apostle. No Scripture needed. [/FONT]
It is not just opinion.

The Apostolic Age ended when the 12 Apostles died. Signs and wonders were given to the 12 Apostles to authenticate their ministry, not anyone else's ministry. We have no evidence, for example, that Sylvanus could do signs and wonders. Heb.2:3,4 specifically states that the gifts of the Spirit were given to them that were eyewitnesses of Christ. "They that heard him," i.e., his own apostles.

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
--This refers to the 12, not to the others that are referred to as "apostles." Not every person referred to as an apostle walked and talked with Jesus, and heard his words. Only the 12 could have that testimony.

This is just your opinion and misinterpretation of this passage. It does not harmonize with the rest of Scripture. The office of the Apostle and prophet does not exist any longer, and you have no Biblical grounds to say that it does.

The "early church" was "The First Baptist Church at Jerusalem." From there other local churches were started, such as the one at Samaria, Antioch, Ephesus, Philippi, Corinth, etc. There were churches, not "The Church." The passage in Ephesians was written to the church at Ephesus where Timothy was the pastor. The church had many pastors of whom Timothy was the senior pastor (Acts 20:17,28). Paul is addressing the church at Ephesus when he mentions apostles and prophets, not the churches in America.
The apostles and prophets laid the foundation of the church, each local church, with Jesus being the chief cornerstone. We are the building blocks.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 

Judas was replaced by Matthias.
Paul was one "born out of due time. But Paul was an exception, and not one of the 12. Matthias was the 12, the last to be chosen. We know from history that John was the youngest, and lived the longest. There is no disputing this fact. Whom am I to say? I am an authority for the years of study I have done. I teach courses on NT Survey, NT Introduction, The Gospel of John and other related courses. So, yes, I can say it with some degree of authority. John was the last living apostle who died at the end of the first century or the very beginning of the 2nd, shortly after the Book of Revelation was written ca. 98 A.D.
There are 12 Apostles I have given you plenty of Scripture on that before.
There will be 12 names of 12 Apostles written on the foundation of the 12 walls of the New Jerusalem. Whose names do you think will be there? Yours?

How many people alive today were witnesses of Jesus and actually heard his words while he was on earth? Study again Heb.2:3,4 and see what it means. They were eye-witnesses. There is no one alive today that can measure up to what the writer of Hebrews records in those verses.

Deal with "these" days.
Don't argue from silence.
Where does it say we will drive cars to churches?

 

That is an Apostle writing an epistle to a first century church while the apostles were still living. You ignore historical context. They all died at the end of the first century. There is nothing there to say they would continue as you continue to assert and misinterpret.

The apostles are constantly referred in Scripture to as "The Twelve."
Why the unbelief?

There is no more scripture written today. We have a closed canon. The apostles remained until the Scripture was finished.

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
--The words of the Apostles are now Scripture.

To be specific there will but two prophets.