Responsibility to the unsaved

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by TexasSky, Jun 9, 2005.

  1. TexasSky

    TexasSky
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    I see a lot of people on this board make statements that imply man has absolutely no responsiblity in terms of reaching people for Christ. I see statements like "what the unsaved think doesn't matter," and "I'm not responsible" coupled with "God saves people."

    Now - I agree, God saves people. I think God uses other people to take his message to other people. He certainly used Dr. Prince to reach me. He seems to have used Paul to reach thousands.

    But some of you seem to be saying that Christians have no responsibilty toward the unsaved at all. So.. I want to know.....

    Why have churches?
    Why witness?
    Why have missionaries?

    If we have no responsibility toward the unsaved - why do we talk about salvation to anyone?

    Why did Christ give us the great commission?

    Why did Paul and Peter and James warn us to always be aware that our behavior could have a detremental affect on non-Christians?

    Why did Paul go to the Gentiles and risk his life if all he had to do was sit at home, pray and wait for the Holy Spirit to do the job? What was his reason for going to all those places he went if he didn't need to?
     
  2. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    TS,

    Our responsibility is not to the unsaved. It is to God and what he has commanded us to do.

    For further information about this topic and what brought this whole idea in TS's mind, please see this thread, and make sure you read the whole thing so as to not come to a premature conclusion:

    AIDS and Romans 1:24-32

    Also see my statements here:

    and here:

    And finally, see Gold Dragon's comments here:

    The real issue is not whether or not we should have churches, missionaries, or churches. We do this because God has commanded us to do so. The issue is whether or not we can thwart the will of the Sovereign and Almighty God. I say NO! What say you?

    Joseph Botwinick

    [ June 09, 2005, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Joseph_Botwinick ]
     
  3. Gold Dragon

    Gold Dragon
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    3,837
    Likes Received:
    3
    While we cannot thwart God's will, that fact does not absolve us of our responsibilities that God has commanded of us to minister to the unsaved. You are both correct.
     
  4. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    Correct. We have a responsibility to God who commands us to preach the Word and show the love of God to the lost.
    [​IMG]
    Joseph Botwinick
     
  5. jdcanady

    jdcanady
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2005
    Messages:
    393
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am reminded of one of my first witnessing oportunities. I poured out my heart for the better part of two hours to a young man who was into satanism. At the end, he said he couldn't believe in Christ as Savior.

    I was broken with feelings of failure and confided in my pastor. I said, "If only I could have been a better witness", "If only I had known my scripture verses better", "If only I had a better prayer life." "Maybe there is some sin in my life that has hindered my witness."

    My pastor told me, "If only you didn't think this was all about you, you wouldn't feel so bad. You did what God wanted you to do. Let's leave room for God to draw him to the truth."

    Joseph: I read much of the other thread. Thank you for your faithfullness. You answered well.
     
  6. TexasSky

    TexasSky
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    You are right about this: Our responsibility is not to the unsaved. It is to God and what he has commanded us to do.


    However, God commanded us to go to the world and teach them all things whatsover he commanded, and he commanded us to love them - more than anyone or anything thing other than God.

    You seem to know the difference in ignoring them and in witnessing to them. Some on this board just want to ignore them.
     
  7. BillyMac

    BillyMac
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2003
    Messages:
    710
    Likes Received:
    0
    Right-on Sister, [​IMG] ......... preach it!!!
     
  8. TexasSky

    TexasSky
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    Golden Dragon - Your words caught my attention.

    I wanted you to know, that I agree with you. I realize that I've stated it poorly because I'm somewhat alarmed by this trend I see that seems to say witnessing isn't our responsiblity or problem. I DO believe that God saves, but I firmly believe we are required to obey God's commands to witness.

    I'll go further and state that I believe the luke-warm churches referred to Revelation may be specific historical churches, but that those of us today had better pay attention to the message sent to them lest WE anger God as they did.

    Anyway, thank you for how you phrased what you said. It gave me an opportunity to clarify that I agree with you.
     
  9. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    In all my years as a Christian, I have never heard anyone say this except for an atheist friend who was mocking Christianity when I was in college (i.e: you don't need bother witnessing to me because God has chosen me to go to Hell is what he said). What a tragic and incorrect view of Christianity. BTW, I happen to know that later in life this guy did become a Christian which shows how little he understood in the carnal sin nature about Christianity. Would you please show me where anyone has said it is not a Christian's responsibility to preach the Word and share the love of God to the Lost?

    Thanks,

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  10. TexasSky

    TexasSky
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    Joseph,

    Praise God re the person you just shared about. I will have to go through various threads to find the statements that I was speaking to. I'm absolutely exhausted right now, but I will try to find them for you.

    The impression I've had from the posts I refer to are that some who have been taught predestination turn that into, "it isn't our problem since its up to God anyway." Which isn't what most people I used to hear preach predestination taught, and it stunned me.

    Anyway, I'll try to find you the exact wordings from the threads later.
     
  11. Gold Dragon

    Gold Dragon
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    3,837
    Likes Received:
    3
    And I wanted you to know that Joseph agress with you too. And I believe most Calvinists outside of some extreme perversions of Calvinism.

    This is coming from someone who would cringe at ever being labelled a Calvinist.
     
  12. TexasSky

    TexasSky
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    Joseph,

    Here is one example of a statement that I was talking about. Wife of One had written that we need to live our lives as an example, and she is right. However - the response she received from someone else concerns me. It seems to imply that as long as we're good people, the unsaved will beat a path to our door to ask us why we're good. That certainly isn't my experience.

    "Amen! And since humans beings tend to be a curious lot, many of them will inquire about the reason why we are such loving and considerate people, thus opening the door for us to share our love for Christ with them."

    I'll look for some of the other things that worried me. They are not in any "one thread" they just pop up in other threads. The one I just posted is actually mild compared to the ones that have alarmed me.
     
  13. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    TS,

    Would you please provide a link so that I may view each thread with my own eyes and see the context of the statements.

    Thanks,

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  14. shannonL

    shannonL
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2005
    Messages:
    686
    Likes Received:
    0
    Johnny Appleseed used to go everywhere planting apple seeds. Do you think he knew whether or not every seed he planted turned into a apple tree?

    Of course not. He sure was full of joy planting those seeds though. After he planted a tree somebody probably came along and poured a little water on that seed. God caused that tree to grow into a fine tree bearing more apples.

    Sound familiar?
     

Share This Page

Loading...