Rev 3:20---if ANY man?

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  1. Rich_UK

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    I've noticed aswell with this scripture
    (Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. ) ....
    that people use it as a *disproval* of Gods soverign election. John Gill's commentary on it is a bit vague. Do any other calvanists have any light to shed on it?
     
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    Why did you stop after man??? Why not read the whole verse. A typical method of the non sovereigntists is that method. But when you read the whole verse it answers the question: Any man who hears and opens ... those who don't hear and don't open have no part in it.

    John 3:16 says whoever believer. Rev 22 says if any man will come.

    The gospel message is open to all who will. The non elect won't.
     
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    Another way today's modern Arminians and free-willers twist this scripture is by saying Jesus is knocking on the doors of man's heart.
     
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    When those messages were delivered there were non-believers present as well. The messages were given to the churches but many kinds of people were present. We have the same thing today in churches. We have children, babies, elderly, youth and the middle aged. We have people who are new believers, non-believers and those who have been believers for many years. Just look at the seven churches in Rev.

    Take a look at Mark 4:3-9, "Listen to this! Behold, the sower went out to sow; as he was sowing, some seed fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate it up. "Other seed fell on the rocky ground where it did not have much soil; and immediately it sprang up because it had no depth of soil. "And after the sun had risen, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. "Other seed fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked it, and it yielded no crop. "Other seeds fell into the good soil, and as they grew up and increased, they yielded a crop and produced thirty, sixty, and a hundredfold." And He was saying, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

    Who is that passage meant for? Everyone, those who have ears to hear. The scripture is not about who is a Christian and who is not. God will speak to each person about what they need to hear. All need to be steadfast in their commitment to God. But non-believers need to believe.
     
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    Thanks for your replies people...

    To J Greyhound---have u never asked a question regarding scripture that you were unsure of?
     
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    Oops, I think I misinterpreted what you said grayhound....sorry. Ignore my last post, I was a bit quick to read the posts.
     
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    I believe Rev. 3.20 is speaking to the church, I do not believe this is speaking of knocking on the heart of any man/woman/or child, why is there no mention of the heart's door?

    This is speaking of a church leaving the faith once delivered to the saints, Jesus is outside this church knocking and says if any man hears and opens, standing in the 'gap' to call the body back to repentance and to Scriptural order, then Jesus will come unto this 'man' and will sup with him and he with Jesus (signifying when those who are in error oppose this man, friends, family etc.) Jesus will stand with him and comfort him.

    I don't see a mention of an offer to the lost here, however and I wonder from where others see it in any way.

    BTW, how do we know that some who were in these churches were not saved? It perhaps is certain with Jesus on the outside of the church, the elect are not coming into that particular body.
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