Revelation 17 :8 why "Yet is"

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  1. william s. correa

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    Genesis 11:1-9 God said Let "US" go down and confound their language when He did that; no one could understand one word the other was saying, so then If I spoke greek or better yet if I were greek I wouldnt understand the Aramaic dialect, not because I may not have learned it but it was God who confounded the languages. Now I am from Colombia S.A. but my mom is from Ga. some people say that I am a Colombian with a Georgia accent! Although I am a American! Sounds kind of confusing dosent it. But If I were greek then the dialect would be totally diffrent! dont you agree? I could not understand the way a greek person thinks as he or she is speaking their confounded language! So is the same with Erasmus he beeig Dutch was trying to get the best translation for Keiper estin not Keiper Palestine because it was not the Latin or the Aramaic or the Hebrew but the only text in Greek THAT WAS INTACT THAT CONTAINED THE APOCALYPSE: and No one was willing to take that on except Erasmus and God. I mean only God could have done it, because He is the one who confounded the languages in the first place; God, King Jesus, and the Holy Gohst!Amen.
     
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    William, I really grow weary of correcting you. Aramaic is not a dialect of Greek. It is closer to Hebrew, but it is pretty much accepted that it is a different language. Aside from that, where do you get this idea that Revelation was written in Aramaic? So far, I have seen no evidence of this.

    No, it is possible to learn another language. People do it every day. Just because you are either not that good at it, or dont put in the time to get good at it, doesnt mean other people arent able to. Try and look past your own views for a minute.

    William, once again, you are making an unfounded claim, and this is the entire reason no one respects you. First off, Kaiper Estin wouldnt be found in the Latin because those words are GREEK words. Second, ERASMUS DIDNT TRANSLATE ANYTHING!!!! He used textual criticism to make a GREEK TEXT from GREEK TEXTS. He consulted Latin and others, but he did not translate them into Greek. He used them only to verify greek readings. Also, I dont know of any Hebrew or Aramaic copies of Revelation that Erasmus would have used. You once again show that you are speaking about something you know very little about, when simply a trip to the library and a day or 2 of reading would cure it.


    First off, do you know which manuscripts Erasmus used to make his text? If so, please list them. Then, if you would, please list the manuscript he used that contains this reading. If not, will you stop claiming something without evidence?

    What does this have to do with the validity of this reading, or with your failure to handle this discussion honestly?
     
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    Aramaic was the language of the ancient ARAMEAN people, whose main nation became Syria.(Aram) Aramaic is older than hebrew, and Hebrew may well be an offshoot of Aramaic.

    But none of that has anything to do with Erasmus' goof.
     
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    So you all say? Hummmmmmmmmm But listen to the message from Genesis and not the messanger! The Language was confoundeded! Main Entry: con·found
    Pronunciation: k&n-'faund, kän-
    Function: transitive verb
    Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French confondre, from Latin confundere to pour together, confuse, from com- + fundere to pour -- more at FOUND
    Date: 14th century
    1 a archaic : to bring to ruin : DESTROY b : BAFFLE, FRUSTRATE <conferences... are not for accomplishment but to confound knavish tricks -- J. K. Galbraith>
    2 obsolete : CONSUME, WASTE
    3 a : to put to shame : DISCOMFIT <a performance that confounded the critics> b : REFUTE <sought to confound his arguments>
    4 : DAMN
    5 : to throw (a person) into confusion or perplexity
    6 a : to fail to discern differences between : mix up b : to increase the confusion of
    synonym see PUZZLE
    - con·found·er /-'faun-d&r/ noun
    - con·found·ing·ly /-di[ng]-lE/ adverb---- I like #4 cause man always thinks himself to Know more than God therefore God sees and measures the Heart of man. The point here is not that the translation was Erasmus But God's So lets focus on the text given and not your Greek limited Knowledge of why God "Confounded" the languages! I beleive One can learn a Language But his heart does not Know what a Greek or Aramaic or Hebrew man is Thinking while Speaking His or her language or Mother toungue! From experiance of beeig bor in South America and Living there for 9 years!
     
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    So, yes or no, are you saying God gave Erasmus a secondary revelation to change the texts?

    Did God inspire Erasmus to add the phrase?
     
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    Did God inspire Erasmus to add the phrase?

    That's a fair question. I'll be staying tuned.
     
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    I don't expect you, or anyone else, will be getting a straight answer...

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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    correa said:

    The Language was confoundeded!

    Says it all.
     
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    C4K,

    Hasnt William already claimed as such?
     
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    OK so then we turn to Acts 2:1-6 In the sixth verse we see the word confounded Again but this time Man is confounded because to his amazement the Jews that were there from every where under the Heaven were speaking in their own language! The Spirit Again shows a sign to the unbeleiving that God is on the Throne! So just as God Confounded their language in Genesis God reveals to us that he can still show us His Power thru the Gospel! The Gospel with out the Word is just News! Again Erasmus Knew greek but wasnt greek so in order for the Spirit to have his way he Had to Open Erasmuses eyes in order to get the correct translation into English! The Answer is Yes! It was Always there and all it took was letting God write what was intended to be there from the beggining of time In the VULGAR tongues! Not what Papyrus Says!Amen
     
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    William,

    What translation did Erasmus make into English?

    Why wont you answer the very direct yes or no question?

    EDIT: You said yes, but then you said it was always there. Those 2 answers are contradictory. If God inspired Erasmus to add these words, then they couldnt have always been there.

    I will wait one more post, then you will be ignored. If you constantly persists to be evasive, what use is there conversing with you?
     
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    Erasmus stands as the supreme type of cultivated common sense applied to human affairs. He rescued theology from the pedantries of the Schoolmen, exposed the abuses of the Church, and did more than any other single person to advance the Revival of Learning.
    From The Praise of Folly (1509)


    "They forget that Christ will condemn all of this and will call for a reckoning of that which He has prescribed, namely, charity".
    All the life of Erasmus teaches us is that he lived in England and went to Cambridge As a greek teacher! Now your question is , What translation did Erasmus make into English? His Own He was a Proffessor of greek! He Knew Revelation from codice Rachelin But did not trust it! The TR is Chiefly his work and he will receive His Reward! If you Ignore me then I'm sure that you will still read the post cause you Love It!
     
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    I asked you 2 very simple questions, and you post that garbage? You didnt even remotely address the questions, and one was a simple YES OR NO!@!!!

    You are a troll, and have no business in this forum. Please stop posting, read for a while, and catch a clue about what you are trying to pose you understand.
     
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    Mr. Correa:So you all say? Hummmmmmmmmm But listen to the message from Genesis and not the messanger! The Language was confoundeded!

    I read the definition of confound, which I already knew. this is when God have various languages to various peoples, so the people who spoke one given language would live together & form their own community. In time, each of them developed its own culture. later, God allowed some people to learn other languages, after the distinct peoples & nations formed.

    This has nothing to do with Erasmus. He evidently knew Koine Greek well enough to read the old mss & compile them, and kaiper esti was a simple typo. He was NOT confounded by the Koine Greek. If you believe he was, how can you trust any translation made from the TR at all?
     
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    There goes the neighborhood!
     
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    Erasmus Never Added anything And he sure didnt take away! He was Brilliant and should receive a Medal! He had proven the church to be A three ringed circus in which " Yes or NO!@!!!"
    was the Star Atracction!
     
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    You said yes, he was inspired to ADD the words "kaiper estin" but now you say he didnt add anything.

    GO AWAY! STOP POSTING! You are embarrassing the name of Christ with every ignorant post you make.

    I have never conversed with anyone who knew less about this subject than you do.
     
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    Not really!"This has nothing to do with Erasmus. He evidently knew Koine Greek well enough to read the old mss & compile them, and kaiper esti was a simple typo. He was NOT confounded by the Koine Greek. If you believe he was, how can you trust any translation made from the TR at all?" You have to prove that!
     
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