Revelation's 6th Seal...is it in Daniel's 70th week?

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  1. PrimePower7

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    Or for that matter, are there any references that say the seals are inside the 70th week of Daniel (referenced in Revelation 11 and 12)?
     
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    NO! and NO!:laugh:
     
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    Off the top of my head, yes, I believe there are.

    According to Daniel, the final 70 weeks that were allotted to the Jewish people would end with a 7-year war in the midst of which the city of Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed, and the sacrifice and oblation would cease.

    Revelation 11 is about the destruction of the sanctuary and Revelation 17 - 18 is about the destruction of the city, both of which occurred in the midst of that 7-year war.

    In Christ,
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    What?

    A 7-year war? How do you know it is a war lasting 7 years? Where in Daniel does it say this?

    How does this answer my original question?:BangHead:
     
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    Didn't something happen to the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD? When was the last time animal sacrifice was made by the Jewish people?
     
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    The period of time from the first attack of the Jews upon the Romans at Masada, in May of A.D. 66, to the final resistance of the Jews at Masada in April of A.D. 73, encompassed approximately seven years. The daily sacrifice ceased at about three and a half years into this seven year period. The abomination of desolation was manifested when the Roman armies surrounded the city.

    Flavius Josephus in WARS OF THE JEWS, chapter VII, section 7, states that the Romans themselves never took the Jews for their enemies until they revolted from them in A.D. 66. Regarding their state of affairs, he wrote, "however, the circumstances we are now in, ought to be an inducement to us to bear such calamity courageously, since it is by the will of God, and by necessity that we are to die: for it now appears that God hath made such a decree against the whole Jewish nation, that we are to be deprived of this life which (He knew) we would not make a due use of;"

    Even Titus, who conquered the Jews, stated that God had fought with his army and given the Jews over to him

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    Hey Brother!

    Regular,
    I'm with you hear. I see the time-sensitive statements of the New Testament and I believe something significant regarding the 2nd coming occurred during the 1st century. My problem is with the fulfillment of Acts 1. When did Jesus return in "like manner as [we] saw Him ascend"?

    Bill
     
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    Umm.

    So, what exactly are you guys alluding to? The events in the book of Revelation seem to be looking forward to something (prophetically: with the exception of the letters to the churches, perhaps). The Book of the Revelation was written around the turn of the first century, long after the destruction of the temple.

    Are you saying the seemingly related material in Daniel and Revelation actually have nothing to do with each other? Because the events in the Revelation have certainly NOT taken place.
     
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    Not yet! I believe the events that occurred during the first century are prophesied in Matthew 24. However, in that chapter much care must be exercised in differentiating between the 1st century events, the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, and the events that occur when He returns as indicated in Acts 1. Apparently the Christians living in Jerusalem when the Roman armies came were warned and fled the city, I believe to a place called Pella.

    I strongly believe there will be a visible return of Jesus Christ just as was promised at His ascension. This visible return will be accompanied by a general resurrection and judgment just as Jesus Christ promised in John 5:28, 29. I believe that judgment is described in some detail in Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15.

    Furthermore, it is my belief that the misinterpretation of Daniel's 70th week has caused much confusion within the Church.
     
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    Say it louder and longer and it becomes truer (or else)!

    Really? "NOT"? Do you think it is truer because you yell it?

    It actually might blow your mind if you read the Psalms and Prophets and found some very Revelation-like symbolism.

    Have a nice day.:tonofbricks:
     
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    Hello Bill,

    I second Old Regular's comments. I too believe that most of the things Jesus spoke of that would be the signs of his coming were speaking of the signs of his first coming and how it would impact the world, and especially what his coming would mean for the nation of Israel.

    Jesus' second coming, of which Acts 1 is speaking, was to be many, many years later, two thousands years now and counting, and the events that will occur at his second coming are as Old Regular stated, the great resurrection and the final judgment.

    The long period of time that lapses between these two advents of Jesus, popularly but somewhat misleadingly called the "millennium," is the New Covenant church age when we saints reign with Christ, which is why we are called kings and priests:

    "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." Revelation 1:5-6

    It is the saints who reign for a thousand years, Jesus will reign for ever, and of his kingdom . . . there will be no end.

    In Christ,
    Pilgrimer
     
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    I think most would agree with that, but the question is . . . how far forward? I think the best testimony on that is from the Revelation itself which says specifically that this Revelation was given to John in order to show the church things which would shortly come to pass. The historical fulfillment of those things within a few brief years is mute testimony, not only to the foreknowledge of God, but more to the point, these things being fulfilled during the generation of the coming of Jesus of Nazareth is proof that he is the Christ.

    Actually, there is considerable disagreement about just when the Revelation was received. The internal evidence, which I consider to be more reliable, is that it was before the destuction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem because the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem are foretold in the Revelation, in rather startling historical detail.

    I believe you are the only one who has said anything like that.

    Not according to the premillennial interpretation perhaps, but then, the premillennial is not the only interpretation. There are other equally good, sincere, orthodox Baptists who are every bit as conscienscious as anyone else who see these things differently. For example, in addition to being a student of, first and foremost, the Gospel, I am secondarily a student of New Testament history and archaeology, and because of what I have learned about the history of Jesus' first coming I believe his first coming has had much more far-reaching effects in this world than the premillennial view supposes.

    In Christ,
    Pilgrimer
     
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