Rick Santorum

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  1. Benjamin

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    Don't know that much about him yet, but been hoping for an alternative to Gingrich, Romney, and Paul. Seems to have some underdog potential. Whadaya think?
     
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    I think so too. He was certainly under the radar scope for a long while;almost invisible. Now his strengths are being recognized. I am hopeful.
     
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    I've been waiting for his stock to rise...

    He is a viable candidate, but has some work to do to become electable. The others have a huge head start.

    He is, at least, a true conservative, unlike Gingrich, Romney, and Paul, all of whom have convinced many that they are in fact conservatives when in fact they are at best moderates and in the case of Paul, actually a liberal though to be fair, Paul is also a Constitutionalist, which tends to blur the line between his liberal stances and the people who think he is conservative.
     
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    I like the guy
     
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    I like him and could easily support him. Of all candidates he's the most conservative on social issues (or at least he stresses those issues the most). He is hawkish which is a concern. He doesn't put much emphasis in his campaigning on economic issues (so far).

    I took one of those "find your candidate" questionnaires and I most closely matched up with Santorum. He's a bit young and I think he needs more seasoning before he is Presidential material, however, he would make a great Vice Presidential pick. He might be able to help win Pennsylvania's 21 electoral votes. I figure if Gingrich gets the nomination, Santorum is the Veep candidate.
     
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    Unlike Newt and Cain, Santorum is a man of character.

    Unlike Cain and Bauchmann, Santorum has a number of accomplishments to his credit and has been tested to build a coalition.

    Unlike Perry and Newt, Santorum is much more of a conservative who has fought for very important issues.

    I will not vote for Rick Santorum, but there is no doubt that he is a better "flavor of the week" than the last few people. My disagreements are not with his character nor his willingness to stand up on important issues. My disagreements with Rick are policy issues and his inability to run a national campaign. To be honest, we have honest disagreements on policies but we agree on major issues like abortion and he has governed in such a way that I believe I can trust him.

    I was very critical of those who supported Cain and Newt because I felt they embraced horrible candidates for the sake of wanting to "win". However, while I disagree with R.S., I believe he is a decent choice and would strongly support him against Obama. I was uncertain if I could support either Cain or Newt against Obama.
     
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    Can you elaborate? Are you saying he is incompetent to run a national campaign or that he doesn't have the money?
     
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    The money is a part of the issue. However, I also think that he has been unable to coalesce a strong base of supporters nationally. He has been planning his run for almost 4 years and he was most focused in last 2 years. Even in his home state of PA, he does not poll well and seems to not have a strong base of support in that state. Now, having said all that, sometimes an initial run for office is an opportunity to build that support. Yet, others like Mike Huckabee was able to build a strong group of supporters in his first fun (as did Romney).

    A campaign staff builds a campaign, but the leader must help coalesce supporters for your cause.
     
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    http://www.ontheissues.org/Rick_Santorum.htm
     
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    ==I think it is wishful thinking. From what I know of Santorum, I like him and would vote for him without hesitation. However I think Romney will be the Republican nominee in 2012. In fact, I don't believe this primary race will last that long (though the media would love for a long race). Romney has the establishment, the money, the resources, and the organization that is needed to win the primary. Santorum simply falls way behind in those areas. Could he be the big surprise? Sure, but I don't think that is likely.
     
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    He doesn't?

    Here's the result of an August 2nd poll conducted in Pennsylvania:

    Pennsylvania voters say 52 - 42 percent that Obama does not deserve to be reelected. Matching the president against possible Republican challengers shows:

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 44 percent to Obama's 42 percent;
    Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum with 43 percent to Obama's 45 percent;
    Obama leads Minnesota U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann 47 - 39 percent;
    Obama tops Texas Gov. Rick Perry 45 - 39 percent.

    Romney tops a possible Republican presidential primary field with 21 percent, unchanged from June 15. Other results are:

    Santorum with 14 percent, compared to 16 percent June 15;
    Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin with 12 percent, compared to 11 percent;
    Bachmann with 11 percent, up from 5 percent;
    Perry with 8 percent. He was not included June 15.


    In that same poll, when pitting Obama against Santorum, Obama got 45% of the independent vote; Santorum got 38%. Also he picked up 5 points vs. Obama from a June poll to the August poll.

    TREND: If the 2012 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and Rick Santorum the Republican for whom would you vote?

    ...................Aug 02.... Jun 15
    .........................2011....2011

    Obama.................45.....49
    Santorum..............43.....38
    SMONE ELSE(VOL)....3.....3
    WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)....3....4
    DK/NA......................7.....7
     
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    Exactly right, he is being beat by Obama in a state that he was elected to serve as Senator. Romney, who never ran for statewide office is out polling him in PA. Remember, Gore lost Tennessee with only 47% of the vote in his own hometown. This is an extremely close race for someone who should have a homefield advantage. I made fun of Gore for only getting 47% in TN and you think he polls well at 43%. Granted, that is up from 39%, which also shows the problem. He should have PA wrapped up and it should not even be a contest in his home state. Unfortunately, PA will still be in play is Santorum is elected.
     
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    I like your avatar! :thumbsup:
     
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    Hmmm... how is Romney doing against Obama in Massachusetts?

    In the new Massachusetts survey, Obama leads Romney by a landslide margin of 57%-37%

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...osing-massachusetts-to-obama-by-20-points.php

    Hmmm...how is Gingrich doing against Obama in Georgia?

    In that poll of registered voters, Obama topped Gingrich 46%-45% in a head-to-head matchup in Georgia, the state Gingrich represented for two decades in the House.
     
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    I'm now thinking Santorum is going to overtake Paul in Iowa and seriously be on Romney's heels, if not beat him.
     
  16. Benjamin

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    This just in...

    Saturday 31 December 2011 21.45 EST

    Looks like we have a serious contender...!

    :thumbs:
     
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    When considering polls and Iowa remember that Iowa is a caucus state. It's not a primary where people simply go to the polls and cast a vote. Caucuses means 100's of meetings will be held Tuesday night. Discussions will be held. Representatives of each candidate will be allowed to give an impassioned plea for votes for their favored candidate.

    When you've got three candidates polling in the low 20's the ultimate result on Tuesday night could come down to which candidate's representatives can win over the undecideds. People will be eyeballing each candidate's representatives, judging THEM even as they are listening to arguments they've surely heard many, many times over the past weeks and months. Which candidate's followers will comport themselves the best? This could be the make or break factor for Ron Paul.
     
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    Personally I like Santorum. I hope he beats the socks off Ron Paul. I can't believe how many people RP and his loud supporters have convinced that he is a conservative.
     
  19. Benjamin

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    Told ya... :laugh:
     
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