Rick Warren and Mark Dybul

See what I mean! How predictable. :laugh:

 

I agree. The PDC will someday have more of the world in the church then believers. The church is a gathering of local believers. It is not to be toned down for the world. Its for the followship of believers and teaching. Its so that believers can come together and worship God as one body.

The YMCA tried this idea years ago. Invite the world in...make them like the place 1st...have some fun 1st..then preach to them later. I have yet to see a Bible study at the Y, but it is ran by the world now. The very same thing will happen in the PDC.

This is not to say the church should not have reach out programs. They should, but not at the cost of changing the faith. The faith is the same now as it was 2000 years ago.

Never have Christians tried to be so relevant, and yet never have they been so terribly irrelevant. How could this happen? We have a.. "A Challenge to the Idol of Relevance." Guinness says ... "How on earth have we Christians become so irrelevant when we have tried so hard to be relevant?...Never have Christians pursued relevance more strenuously; never have Christians been more relevant" (Prophetic Untimeliness page 11, 12).


From the book "Prophetic Untimeliness"....
Guinness says... that relevance is the very heart of the gospel, for there can be no message more relevant than that of sin and salvation. But this is not the relevance that the evangelical church has sought, and thus they have missed out on true relevance. The true question the church needs to face is how to be both faithful and relevant.

Here is the thesis of the book:

 

What is predictable is to see some follow a leader to the grave, even when he is wrong. No matter what Warren does some would never leave "the rick show"..for it FEEEEEEEEEEEEELS good. Nice numbers though.

Our church is rather full now, but I'm sure if we start a side show we would have to build. What you win them with, you keep them with. Maybe we can win them with the gospel. Now thats a idea.


I'm sure God will understand binding the rules a bit. right?

 

Gotta keep the church pure, don't we.

 

Pure as in holy? I think that should be something to shoot for. But to make sure, maybe we should look at the Word of God.

The Bible tells us. We are Called out from the world. We are called by God to be Saints/holy. We are separated from the world by God.

Yes I do think the Bible teaches we are called out from the world. Set apart...holy. A city on a hill. Not of the world, yet living in the world.

Jesus too must of thought the House of God was for God and his people and not the worlds place to have fun and hangout at the coffee shop..

..for they had take the HOUSE OF GOD...into just another place of the world. Why change the House of God into another world hangout??? The world has its own places...let the house of God be for God and His people to worship Him.

 

Well you misread what I stated, especially since you add public policy into the mix. I don't think Christians should involve themselves in politics at all whether with other Christians or non-Christians. Earthly politics is not our calling.

And the Bible says Light and darkness do not mix together. That doesn't mean you can't talk to the unsaved. That doesn't mean you can have dinner with the unsaved. That doesn't mean you can't have the unsaved in your home as a guest as one thread said.

But what it does mean is that you can not combine forces and unite in a cause with darkness if you are walking in the Light, because those two don't mix.

That's just plainly what Scripture says. We can argue with It. We can disagree with It, but It says what It says and the sooner we shape our lives around It instead of shaping It around our lives the better off we are going to be.

 

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

 

I disagree, but that's okay. Just as long as you don't insist that your personal preference has to be adhered to by your fellow Christians.

 

You mean like John Calvin?

 

Of course. If you follow any man it is wrong. Its not that we can't have heros. But if the heros leave the truth of Gods Word, we stay with the truth, not the man.

 

It's not a personal preference, it's Scripture, but what Scripture has to say about a matter hasn't kept many a saved person from disagreeing or doing something different

 

excuse me from asking, but are you saying that God cannot save a reprobate?

 

Show me one church that is perfectly pure and unadulterated. The church is made up of imperfect people in need of a doctor not the self righteous and those who claim to be perfect.

 

Don't you know the church "I" attend is always perfect!!!

I made that comment the other day with tongue in cheek...
And it amazed me that there are some that would agree with it!!!

You are exactly right....
There is no such thing as a perfect church.
Everyone of us are sinners... if you don't think you are you are delusional.

Just because we can easily stay away from one sin, does not make us perfect...

I am glad someone commented what you did gb93433!

I agree 100%

 

I disagree 100%.

perfect in deed? no...no one is.

perfect in my position before God? Yes.

You see...I do sin, just as all men. But God says I'm Covered.

 

Here is a list of all the speakers for Warren's Global AIDS Summit. I'm sure you'll find many others with openly sinful lifestyles on the list there too. Probably many atheists and evolutionists. I wouldn't be surprised if there are adulterers speaking. Maybe a few people who are cohabiting. Dybul and Obama are there as representatives of the US Government.

They are there not to speak on behalf of the Church, but on behalf of their organizations and its involvement with the AIDS issue. If you want to learn about and discuss an issue, you talk to people who know what they are talking about. There are also many Christian leaders speaking at this conference who do represent the Church.

I'm glad Rick is taking up leadership on finding approaches to how the Church should play a role in this important issue facing our generation.

Purpose Driven: Race Against Time: 2006 Global Summit on AIDS and the Church: Speakers

 

OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!!!!

He allowed Bill Gates in a video presentation!!!

NOT BILL!!!

Warren had better watch out... Gates will takeover Saddleback!!!