Rick Warren

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  1. Servent

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    This may have already been posted some were I just saw it
    little while ago' this will never happen








    Rick Warren calls for Christian-Muslim partnershipSarah Karush - Associated Press Writer - 7/6/2009 7:35:00 AM[​IMG]


    [​IMG]WASHINGTON, DC – Defying some of his fellow conservative Christian critics, one of the most prominent religious leaders in the country told several thousand American Muslims on Saturday that "the two largest faiths on the planet" must work together to combat stereotypes and solve global problems.​


    "Some problems are so big you have to team tackle them," evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren addressed the annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA).

    Warren said Muslims and Christians should be partners in working to end what he calls "the five global giants" of war, poverty, corruption, disease, and illiteracy.

    Warren, founder of Saddleback Community Church in Orange County, California, is the author of The Purpose Driven Life, which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide. His willingness to show support for U.S. Muslims is a huge gain for the community, which has endured intense scrutiny since 9/11.

    [​IMG]A Southern Baptist, Warren has a record of upsetting fellow Christian conservatives by calling old-guard evangelical activists too partisan and narrowly focused. Ahead of his speech Saturday, bloggers who follow Warren had already denounced his appearance at the convention as cozying up to extremists.

    Warren acknowledged the controversy during his 20-minute speech.

    "It's easier to be an extremist of any kind because then you only have one group of people mad at you," he said. "But if you actually try to build relationships — like invite an evangelical pastor to your gathering — you'll get criticized for it. So will I."

    In his speech, Warren also urged Muslims and Christians to speak out against stereotyping of any group and to respect each other even while disagreeing. Addressing Muslims who "have been in America for many generations now," he urged them to help "the newcomers learn what it means to be American."

    Based in Plainfield, Indiana, ISNA is an umbrella organization for Muslim groups across the country. The annual convention, now in its 46th year, regularly draws more than 30,000 people for lectures, prayer, and socializing.

    Many in the crowd were drawn to the session by prominent Muslim scholars such as Sheik Hamza Yusuf of the Zaytuna Institute in Berkeley, California.

    Ann Zahra, 42, said she had never heard of Warren before Saturday but agreed with much of his speech. "The basics are the same," said Zahra, of McLean, Va. "No religion teaches cruelty or disrespect or hatred.
     
  2. Cherry5

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    Isn’t Rick Warren aware that this will never happen as long as there are people on the globe? All five of these “global giants” are products of our sin nature and will not ever be eliminated until the second coming of the Lord.

    No doubt she has no idea that the greatest difference between biblical Christianity and every other religion in the world is how individuals are saved. It seems that, as long as people think they can "work" their way to salvation, there is going to be one or the other, if not all, of these (cruelty, disrespect, or hatred).

    Besides, either she is wrong, or the myriads of Muslims who persecute Christians (and other non-Muslims) in their respective countries are wrong: Hatred and cruelty do run rampant throughout many world religions, whether it is taught overtly or not.
     
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    And on this issue Pastor Rick and I find ourselves in disagreement.

    No issue is too big for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is clearly an issue of primary separation that needs to be addressed.
     
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    I posted announcements of this talk before it took place in the Current Events forum. We were speculating as to whether RW would give the gospel, but apparently he did not from what we can tell from this.

    This was a missed opportunity.

    I can't imagine Paul on Mars Hill giving his main message to the pagans that they and the Christians needed to work together to eradicate poverty, hunger, etc.
     
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    Excellent, Marcia.
     
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    Agree with Marcia.
    Disappointing he did not preach the gospel, and comprimised the faith by doing so, and by talking about teaming up with the ungodly.
     
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    I'm also highly dissapointed in RW. I think he is letting his political aspirations cloud his spiritual judgement.
     
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    I agree, he certainly has strayed from the faith on this.
     
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    Strayed from the faith?? Hello. He is not talking "salvation". He is not talking "all religions are good". His message (man, READ his doctrinal statement or his sermons - they are hard nosed salvation thru Christ alone and you'd almost think he was a 5-pointer!) is always clear.

    But here he is talking about social issues. Like he has done a thousand times on education, families, poverty, corruption, even AIDS (remember Obama speaking in a meeting held at his facility?)

    I am an old-fashioned pre-trib type looking for Jesus to come soon (I pray). But I applaud those who see issues and needs of mankind, the social aspect of simply being a Christian, where theology is not compromised.

    I give to the food bank. I've done all sorts of non-church related "good deeds". I've paid for a well drilled for clean water in Zambia. Christians and non-Christians can benefit from this.

    Cornelius' good deeds to Jews were commended. Tabithas good sewing was a blessing to all. It's about time that even we who believe Jesus is coming soon should be more "global" in our vision.

    Every human on earth should be concerned with every human on earth. As Donne said, No man is an island.
     
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    Not sure in what sense you see him straying form the faith. The reality is he is being foolish with good intentions.
     
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    If I might offer a bit of a modification, I don't think Pastor Rick has strayed from the faith as much as he has strayed from goodly Baptist theology.

    I'm all for bringing justice and accomplishing things before us. I don't believe Pastor Rick preaches anything but Christ. Yet in this he seems, and maybe I'm wrong, to have capitulated ground to pagan religions.

    I'm all for living peacably with Muslims, Jews, atheists, etc etc etc. I'm all for giving to causes like the Red Cross and international aid projects. Yet when it comes to the express mission of the Church in the world, I am not for allowing other religions to pitch in...even if it is to buy the nails and wood.

    Just my thing.
     
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    He's a preacher of the word of God, invited to speak at a religeous function of a false religion, and he does not speak about Jesus and the need of salvation. This is much more then foolish. he has given support to a false religion.


    apparently at this muslim meeting he didn't preach Christ at all, but something else. Theres the problem, he stood before an audience of unbeleivers and ddin't mention Christ.
     
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    disappointed in RW...

    But the Muslims didn't invite him to preach.

    A preacher can be a speaker without preaching.

    I strongly disagree with him on this point.. that Muslims should team up with Christians to accomplish things.. Unless the things are completely secular...

    (Maybe a Christian city councilman working beside a Muslim councilman to better their city)

    But NEVER in the name of reconciling religions.
     
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    I think I'm probably with the majority here...RW IMO exercised very poor judgement.

    This is the second time in recent months I've been disappointed with him.

    Come on, Ricky, straighten up!
     
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    I could tell a muslim about Jesus but unless he submitted to Christ I wouldn't join him in any effort no matter how deserving it may seem. Personally when I help someone I don't want anyone to know I did a thing. I enjoy keeping my idenity out of it.
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    Can two walk together except they be agreed?

    As far as slaying giants, a boy, a sling and the name of the Lord.
     
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    OK...the obvious would be true: we shouldn't be actively trying to propagate poverty, disease, etc...but of course we know that. And I'll agree that if Muslims were giving food to starving people, we shoudn't prohibit it (and similar examples).

    But work together on solving these problems? We wouldn't even agree on the definition of the problem, and we certainly would never agree on the solution. Rick's wrong on this one. Not to mention...Islam, one must admit, has been a contributor to some of the "giants" (Best example, IMO: literacy isn't exactly skyrocketing among Muslim women in extremist countries).
     
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    The liberals pushed the pendulum with the social gospel.

    So fundies (like my group) pushed back with NO social aspect of the gospel. We abandoned poverty, disease, education (except for our little Western civilization group, not for the rest of the world) as issues and let Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton preach on them.

    It's time we fought back and realized we SHOULD be working with anyone and everyone to fight injustice, to combat racism, to eliminate hunger, to build hospitals and schools. It is NOT the "gospel" in Word, but in deed.

    After all, last time I checked, we are known in the world by our "love", not for dotting all the theological "i's".

    Isaiah 58:6 "Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
    to loose the chains of injustice
    to untie the cords of the yoke
    to set the oppressed free and
    to break every yoke?

    7 Is it not
    to share your food with the hungry
    to provide the poor wanderer with shelter
    to clothe the naked
    to not turn and look the other way?

    8 Then
    your light will break forth like the dawn
    your healing will quickly appear
    your righteousness will go before you
    the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.

    9 Then
    you will call, and the LORD will answer
    you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.
     
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    Probably some truth to that is isolated cases. But I have never seen a conservative church that was not reaching out to assist with food, clothing shelter, and a number of other things at all. That claim as made by some is unfounded.

    The gospel is that Christ died on the cross. And the witnesses to that account can only be found in scripture.(Romans 10:17) We can help all the lost people in the world with hunger but without the written word they will just be well fed lost people. (Matt 16:26)

    It is not important that we are know but that God is glorified. (Luke 6:22, 2 Cor 6:17)
     
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    Some of us have been warning about Rick Warren since the PDL book came out in 2002.

    Every year or so, as more progress is made, he pulls off another layer of sheepskin. You haven't seen anything yet. This is all part of a calculated plan. If you've really looked, and haven't seen through Warren by now, there's a chance you never will. But chances are you haven't really looked.

    Please, do not be fooled. I personally think he himself is deceived. Regardless, this is a shrewd, complex man and his system has a rock solid, secular foundation and tremendous depth. If you haven't already, I humbly urge you to back off, throw everything you know about him out, and take a fresh look.

    It's all there, but you'll have to dig for it. And you'll need the help of the Holy Spirit.

    :praying:
     

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