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  1. Helen

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    Good article from a wise man. His Queen of Heaven book is a very worthy read.
     
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    Not to his apologists, he isn't.
     
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    It would help to see what he said in context...not what someone elses says he said.
     
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    This is typical modern day evangelical humanistic junk and, as usual, Rick Warren is the ring leader. I see no Biblical basis for a "inclusive church". At least not in the way Warren is talking about. Fox News made me angry back at Christmas when they had this man on for hours on end. Not that I was sitting in front of my tv watching the news on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, I was not, but I did sneak to a tv in a vain effort to get my news "fix" for the day. I am getting really bad about that. I need my daily news "fix" and my daily dose of sweet tea. I am certainly greatful that I am not an alcoholic because, if I were, I would no doubt be a fall down drunk. :tongue3:
     
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    Did RW say that the article (by someone who is out to bash him) represeted him accurately in regards to a "universal church"? I see nothing but people who do not like RW for whatever reason, holding on to an article written about him, with his comments most likely taken out of conext (as usual). C'mon people, you should have more discernment than that! :rolleyes:
     
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    ==I have seen/heard Rick Warren in interviews promoting this "inclusive church" idea. He wants to swing open the doors and openly work with all sorts of groups to achieve his goals. While many of his goals are noble the "inclusive church" idea is not.
     
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    Here's the full interview. Let us know how the context changes the meaning of his quotes.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5555324196046364882
     
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    webdog wrote:
    This is Baptist Board. Discernment isn't welcome here. In fact, it isn't practiced in churches much at all anymore. Ear-tickling and pandering are the norms. Besides, it's a whole lot easier than actually having a Biblical worldview. :BangHead:
     
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    I can't watch an hour long video. Does anybody have a link to the actual transcript. I would like to see what Rick Warren said for myself and not take someone else's word for it.

    I guess I'm really not understanding the argument.

    Are you guys saying that if you worked with someone who was Catholic or Muslim and your boss's wife was in the hospital having surgery and your Catholic or Muslim co-worker asked you to ride over there and take her some flowers that you wouldn't do it because they are not Protestant or Christian?

    Or if your neighborhood was collecting money for St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital that you wouldn't ask your homosexual neighbor across the street for a donation because they are gay?

    I'm not getting the gist of this thread nor, without the bulk of Rick Warren's actual quotes, am I understanding the Antichrist conspiracy thing. All I saw in the article was a commentary on Rick Warren's alleged quotes without all of the actual quotes.

    There was a quote where Rick Warren allegedly said, "You don't have to change your beliefs to work with us (on poverty, disease, AIDS....)."

    But Roger Oakland said that Rick Warren said "You don't have to change your beliefs to be in our church."

    Then Roger Oakland went even further and stated what he believes what Rick Warren's definition of a "believer" is. I didn't see Rick Warren citing his definition of a believer.

    Someone please link me to a transcript of the video, if there is one. Thanks in advance. I'd like to read it first.
     
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    I saw nothing on that video that was remotely even close to what the author in the OP stated. Either this was the wrong video, or the author lied outright, and slandered RW. Repentance is in order if this is the case.

    If anyone is interested in the context of the "man of peace" comment, it's around the 30 minute mark. It is NOT what the OP states, nor does it have anything to do with the antichrist. The first half is RW, and it ends around the 32 minute mark. His interview was nothing but sharing the Gospel, and working on a passion of his (HIV / AIDS).
     
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    The following is quoted from the author in the OP and was contained in the video. You either did not watch closely or have lied outright and slandered Roger Oakland. Depending on the circumstance, more attentive viewing or repentance is in order.

    "When I go out and I start telling people, “Do you want to work with us on poverty, disease, AIDS, illiteracy, injustice?” I often find people are more unwilling to work with us than we are willing to work with them. In other words, we’re saying, “You don’t have to change your beliefs for us to work with you.” If you can only work with people that you agree with, then most of the world, you’re ruling out. Okay. I don’t insist that a Moslem change his belief for me to work on poverty. I don’t even insist that a gay person has to change their beliefs. They’re not going to accept my belief, or I’m not going to accept theirs. [1]" ​

    I just met with the president, the co-founder of ACT-UP— Eric Sawyer. And I said, “Eric, how can I help you get your message (out)? I know you care about people who are dying. How can I help you get your message out?” He said, “Use your moral authority.” I’m working with these guys. [2]​

    Christianity is a global movement. In fact, Christianity was global 200 years before anybody started talking about globalism. It is the only global organization in the world. There are 2.3 billion Christians in the world. [3]

    Probably 600 million of them, I believe, are Catholic. And so when you take all of these together, it is the largest network in the world. In just the network that I’m in, I have been training leaders for 26 years. And we’ve trained about 400,000 pastors in 163 countries, all different denominations. Well, this network of 400,000 pastors, that’s just a small, tiny network compared to Christianity around the world. [4]​
     
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    Ummm...this wasn't RW's plan. It's what Jesus DID.
    These are deliberate lies against RW. RW NEVER said this, nor insinuated this. Watch the video.
    The article bashing RW is unfounded and pure slander. Helen, I would be a little more informed about what you post as "truth". The fact Rufus views the author as "wise" speaks volumes.
     
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    It would really help to put those quotes in context. The author did lie and slander RW. This is fact if the video is watched unbiasedly (which I doubt you can do seeing you have a 1611 attached to your name).
     
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    Well, I have been searching on Google and apparently there is no transcript of the Charlie Rose Show.

    Two things:

    (1) I am not trying do defend Rick Warren. I am only trying to establish what he said and what he did not say in the original interview. I did read PDL and liked it, but I don't go around waving a Rick Warren banner and blindly applauding him.

    (2) Will someone who did watch the video tell me this. Did Rick Warren, himself, say the following things?
    • "I am trying to establish the Kingdom of God on earth and Jesus told me to do so in a conversation."
    • "I am trying to bring about utopia to planet earth."
    • "I have found the missing component for success and it's called the inclusive church."
    • "You don't have to change your (non-Protestant, non-Christian)beliefs to be a member of my church."
    • "The inclusive church is a church that includes a broad spectrum of believers with a common cause."
    • "The term believer needs to be redefined. A believer does not have to believe on Jesus Christ nor His gospel. He just has to be like-minded with me and join my P.E.A.C.E. plan."
    • "I believe in linking good works with the future of the planet."
    Did Rick Warren say those things on the Charlie Rose Show or did he not say them?

    Roger Oakland implies very heavily that he did. In fact, that implication is the whole basis of his article.

    All I want to know is did Rick Warren say these things?

    Again, I am not championing Rick Warren and in fact, I will join the I-Hate-Rick-Warren-Club and even volunteer to bring cookies and milk to the monthly meetings if he did say these things. :flower:
     
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    I love you too Dog. :love2:
     
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    No, none of that was implied or said. The video is only a half hour long, I would recommend watching it. The second half hour was someone else. Maybe HE said what the author of the OP stated, because it sure was not RW.
     
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    Sorry, brother, but truth is truth, and the man you are defending is definately NOT full of it.
     
  19. Scarlett O.

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    Well, if he is only on there for 30 minutes, then I'll go to my folks house tonight and watch it on their computer. :thumbs:

    My computer takes soooooo looooooooooong to "buffer". I may have to wait 15-30 minutes just to watch a video that is only 45 seconds long. :sleep:
     
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    I don't know much of this interview, and I really don't have time to watch it, but I was guess that given the well-published membership covenants involved in joining Saddleback, I think this statement about being a part of RW's church is false.

    I am always curious at just how many articles with a clear bias are put forth against Rick Warren. The man is visible and published enough that one would think his own words could speak for him.
     
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