Right to Life, Thompson, states rights

I don't know why you are sighing, Ivon. Your statistics agree with what I am saying. I am talking about the Libertarian Party--which is the hardcore Libertarians and not just those who are socially permissive. In 1980, the Libertarian Party candidate got 921,128 votes against Reagan. So much for the claptrap that Libertarians supported Reagan.

In 1984, the Libertarian Party faded to 228,111 votes against Reagan.

In 1988, Ron Paul ran for President as a Libertarian Party candidate and took 431,750 votes against the Republican Party and George H.W. Bush.

In 1992, the Libertarian Party sank again to 290,087 votes.

In 1996, the Libertarian Party got 485,798 votes.

In 2000, the Libertarian Party sank to 384,516 votes against George W. Bush.

In 2004, the Libertarian Party stagnated at 397,265 votes against George W. Bush.

Libertarians are enemies of the GOP. However, they are small and peaked in 1980--never to rise above a half million again in spite of the population growth.

 

Ain't gonna happen.... [sic]

 

There are about 13,000,000 libertarian voters in these United States, not 921,128. Most of them vote for Republican candidates. Without them the GOP would be a permanent minority party.

 

Certainly won't as long as the majority of Christians believe this way and don't get out and vote to make a difference!:thumbs:

 

Where do you get that fact and how can you say that they are Libertarians if they don't vote for their own party? Aren't they just socially permissive? And there are not 921,128 Libertarians in the USA just as you say because their numbers have dwindled to almost nothing as is what has happened in this country with all third parties. Libertarians are closer to the Democrats in policy than anyone else. Indianapolis has less than four thousand Libertarians. They could hold a meeting in Indianapolis in a telephone booth and still have room for some Democrats.

 

Actually it is probably on its way.

 

Because there are loads more libertarians than there are Libertarians.

For instance I have voted for a Republican presidential candidate in the general election more times than I have voted for a Libertarian presidential candidate and I have been a libertarian since 1980 and sometimes a Libertarian as I am currently.

The influence of wanting to cast a decisive vote is quite strong.

 

I don't think that anyone can show that there are millions of libertarians in this country or that the GOP should abandon their platform just to cater to the socially permissive crowd. We do know the numbers of those who have voted Libertarian since 1980 and it has been going downhill since 1980.

When one examines the actual Libertarian Platform, it reads like a leftist Democrat platform and much like the actual Democrat Party Platform.

From the great Republican victory on November 6, 2007, here in the Indianapolis mayoral race, we can point out with certainity that the Libertarian candidate got less than four thousand votes in this city. Greg Ballard, our new Mayor, did not get anything at all from the Libertarian Party and we don't owe them one penny. Ballard had a majority on his own! Nor did the Libertarian Party get one office in Indiana this year as far as I know.

The Libertarians disliked Reagan. They managed almost a million votes against him.

 

1) "Not all Americans can be classified as liberal

or conservative. In particular, polls find that
some 10 to 20 percent of voting-age Americans
are libertarian, tending to agree with conservatives
on economic issues and with liberals on personal
freedom. The Gallup Governance Survey
consistently finds about 20 percent of respondents
giving libertarian answers to a two-question
screen.​

Our own data analysis is stricter. We find 9 to
13 percent libertarians in the Gallup surveys, 14
percent in the Pew Research Center Typology
Survey, and 13 percent in the American National
Election Studies, generally regarded as the best
source of public opinion data."​

- rest at www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa580.pdf​

13% of 100,000,000 voters is 13,000,000 voters.​

2) Then why did Reagan have so many libertarians working in his administration? Read a history of the political makeup of the Reagan administration and you will see that this is so.

Remember, Ronald Reagan himself stated: "If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." Now, cmg, if you want to badmouth Ronald Reagan about this, well, go ahead, pilgrim.

 

At any rate, libertarians are usually more like Democrats on social issues so they are very small and declining as all third parties do. The decline is clearly shown in the small number of votes for the Libertarian Party.

The GOP does not have to change for libertarians. A lot of homosexuals are saying that the GOP should drop bedroom issues such as prostitution and same-sex marriage in order to win. However, the GOP has never been a party of live and let live but the GOP was a major party that advocated abolition when the Democrats still supported slavery. The libertarians do not understand GOP roots, history, and current thinking.

Fred Thompson seems to be a good candidate with the exception that he supports a libertarian position on abortion. For this reason, I think that the National Right To Life organization jumped the gun in endorsing him for President. If Thompson does not want to line up better with the majority of the GOP, there is no reason to nominate him or to endorse him at this time. With the Democrats in trouble with trying to elect Hillary, it is foolish for the GOP to spend a lot of money on the primaries or to accept a poor candidate. Hopefully, the GOP will take a vacation until next year.

 

So what? I don't decide whom to vote for based on electability. If you want to do so, that's fine, cmg.