Righteousness without the Law is Revealed !

No, I do not deny that the provision made by Christ reconciled the elect to God objectively. I simply insist that it did not reconcile the elect to God subjectively. Instead, it had to be applied in time and space to the individual personal elect. I believe both without contradiction. I believe the same is true in all other aspects of salvation that are inclusively stated "according to God's purpose"! You obviously do not! You deny we came into this world subjectively condemned under sin but were never under condemnation at any time. You believe this because you only believe in objective justification whereas I believe in both objective and subjective justification without contradiction.

 

You answer your own objection! They are not reconciled subjectively and therefore they are subjectively under God's wrath and condemnation!

They are reconciled objectively and therefore they are not objectively under God's wrath and condemnation.

There is no contradiction UNLESS you assert one and deny the other. You assert objective justification and thus assert they were not under God's Wrath and condemnation according to OBJECTIVE justification but you deny SUBJECTIVE justification and therefore deny they were SUBJECTIVELY under God's wrath and condemnation. Hence, you embrace HALF the truth instead of the WHOLE truth - there is no contradiction between BOTH. Neither is of works but both are of grace!

 

By your very explanation and reasoning you are confusing the objective with the subjective. You are using one to deny the other. You are mixing apples with oranges.

Let me say what you said but consistent with objective and subjective reconciliation/justification.

"They are objectively reconciled/justified to God. They are subjectively sinners, but nevertheless God is OBJECTIVELY at peace with them becuase his Wrath OBJECTIVELY has been propitiatied by the death of His Son! Do you deny Christ's death alone OBJECTIVELY propitiated God's Wrath for the sins He OBJECTIVELY died for?"

How you say it my answer is "I don't agree with your view" but when I make your words consistent then I agree with you.

 

You need to read what I wrote. I asserted that I believed the OBJECTIVE provision of Christ reconciled/justified/propitiated the elect to God.

What you do not grasp is that what is OBJECTIVELY obtained must be SUBJECTIVELY applied or it means nothing!

For example, according to God's eternal purpose we have already been glorified but if God never created man, never sent Christ to the cross, never brought the elect to physical life there would be no ACTUAL glorification or salvation of the elect.

You want to make the OBJECTIVE provision the REALITY when there is no REALITY until it is SUBJECTIVELY applied in time and space. No one is phyically born, redeemed, regenerated, justified, sanctified, glorified until it occurs in time and space. It is all THEORETICALLY THEOLOGICALLY CORRECT but theoretical only without actual subjective application. Thus those who have been "reconciled" by Christ are called upon to "be reconciled." According to your one sided theoretical theology you could not call upon the elect to "be reconciled" since you deny that very thing but instead claim they already have been reconciled. It is not one or the other but BOTH or else the truth is perverted and you sir are perverting the truth by acceping only ONE HALF of the truth.

 

The elect are in need of SUBJECTIVE reconciliation because they are SUBJECTIVELY under condemnation. They are subjected to the TEMPORAL wrath of God through the TEMPORAL penalties of sin - spiritual death, sickness, war, hate, envy right up to physical death. Look at Romans 1:23-32 exposition of the "wrath of God revealed from heaven" (Rom. 1:18) and you will see it is revealed from heaven through consequences of SIN in a downward digression. The elect are born with a sinful nature and children of wrath even as others, under the condemnation of the sin nature and of their sins and it is obvious - just look at their unregenated lives!!!!

 

"We were by nature children of WRATH even as others."

 

you got to be joking? Paul said they "were children of wrath" previous to regeneration. Paul said they were "enemies" previous to regeneration and the very meaning of "enemy" is one not reconciled but still at war!

This is the kind of nonsense when you pit scriptures that teach objective reconciliation against scriptures that teach subjective condemnation.

The truth is that those who are objectively reconciled are no longer enemies and no longer objectively under wrath and condemnation. However, prior to their regeneration they were subjectively under wrath and condemnation and were not subjectively removed from that condition until they were subjectively regenerated/justified.

There is no such thing as "reconciled" unless both parties are at peace with each other. As long as one party is at war or regarded and called an "enemy" there is no such thing as reconciliation unless you view it objectively rather than subjectively. However, you don't and so you have a oxmoronic mess that pits scripture against scripture.