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  1. Squire Robertsson

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    Much has been made over the last five or so years about Republicans In Name Only. So, here's a question who was the RINO
    • Ronald Reagan or Gerald Ford
    • Barry Goldwater or Nelson Rockefeller
    • Eisenhower or Taft
     
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    Ford, Rockerfeller and Taft. The ultimate RINO today is Mitch McConnell, senator from my state.
     
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  3. Squire Robertsson

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    Are you using c2010 as your standard? Or are you using the issues then current in 1974, 1964, and 1952?
     
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    Oh, yeah and the Taft I refer to is the one born in 1889.
     
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    Is a Democrat In Name Only a Dino?
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    I would say Reagan, Goldwater, and Eisenhower. (And I would include Taft too.)

    Reagan was always willing to reach across the aisle and compromise with the other side.

    As Governor Reagan was pro-gay-rights. He vigorously opposed the 1978 Briggs initiative (Proposition 6), which would have banned homosexuals from teaching in public schools.

    He was pro-abortion. Six months into his term as governor, he signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act, which led to a rise in abortions in California from 518 a year to an average of 100,000 during his last two years in office.

    He was pro-tax. He raised taxes more than $1 billion during his term as governor.

    He was pro-illegal immigration. He signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act while president, which led to a rise in illegal immigration.

    He didn't join the Republican Party until 1962, before then being an ardent supporter of FDR and the "New Deal."

    Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater rallied against "me-too Republicans", and were considered outside of the mainstream of the then-centrist GOP; serious consideration was given to leaving the GOP and forming a new conservative party in coalition with the "states' rights" Democrats of the South.

    Reagan would have been a RINO on the left and Goldwater and Taft would have been RINOs on the radical right.

    But even Goldwater was against the "religious right."

    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible [censored] problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” Barry Goldwater.

    Regarding being politically involved, Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell told the news media that "every good Christian should be concerned." Barry Goldwater replied, "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's [censored]."

    President Eisenhower held views on the military industrial complex that were completely un-Republican and said, “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists and the hopes of its children.”

    A significant percentage of the Republican Party would not listen to Eisenhower on things such, war and the military, though he was a West Point graduate and the supreme commander of the Allied Forces during World War II.

    He wanted to shut down the war profiteers who were funding most of the Republican Party (and still do) and warned us of the dangers of the "Military Industrial Complex," a term he coined when he left office in 1961.

    The young NEOCONS don't have a clue about the history of their own party. :)
     
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    I thought they were named after a different Hanna Barbera character:

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    My old friend, Huckleberry Hound! :D :D :D
     
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    Are there any blue dog democrats left, or have they all died out? :)
     
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    Thanks, TC. Your post brings another question to mind. Which Republican Party are they in name only.
     
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    A Conservative Democrat? Might be one or two but they are rare as hen's teeth! :)
     
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    That is a good question. The GOP of today bears little resemblance to the GOP of Tom Dewey or even Eisenhower. Dewey was a leader of the moderate or progressive faction of the Republican Party, as was the aforementioned Senator Robert Taft. He was a tireless proponent of the United Nations and supported most of the New Deal social-welfare reforms enacted during the Roosevelt administration. He was a key player in the election of Dwight Eisenhower as President in 1952. Dewey was replaced as leader of the progressive Republicans by Nelson Rockefeller, governor of New York and President Gerald Ford's Vice President.

    To borrow a phrase from ancient Oldsmobile commercials, "The is not your father's GOP." :)
     
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    Which is what gets my goat. A man can be a Republican in good standing for many years. Then, through no fault of his own, with a change in the political winds, he becomes a RINO.
     
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    So, Taft was radical right and moderate/progressive?

    Huh?
     
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    Yes. That is what was so odd with him. On some issues he was way over on the radical right (nuke the Soviet Union, etc.) and on other issues he was way over on the left (social issues). Remember, at that time the GOP was very middle of the road, so on some issues he was a RINO on the left and on others he was a RINO on the right. Also remember the GOP of the 1950s is NOT the GOP of today. :)

    Kind of like Reagan. Most people considered him to be very conservative, but in addition to the things I listed above, he also, when Governor of California, signed into law one of the worst gun control laws in the country, the Mulford Act.
     
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    I would guess Senator Robert Byrd was the last? He was a Dem. from WVa.
     
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    Honestly, we might have trouble singling them out, as we will each have differing views on these guys.

    I was thinking maybe Jim Webb.
     
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    Collin Peterson of Minnesota might qualify if the bar is lowered a bit.

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    Talking about Reagan's past without talking about his very significant change toward conservatism is absurd.
     
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    As is mischaracterizing Robert Taft as a leader of the moderate wing of the Republican party.
     

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