Let's call the roll and let our names be mentioned: Who of you pastors would stand with our colonist brethern and stand against the King? Who of you pastors would stand as help to the guardians of freedom and defy George III? Who of you pastors would aid and abet the enemy? According to my previous post, who of you pastors would be called a traitor and coward and stand with the Redcoats (according to William Cathcart, Baptist Preacher, Pastor and Historian)? Not many will say because they cannot agree with the colonists and preach their present position from Rom 13. You folks who preach submission need to find you another holiday, July 4th ain't for you. Don't you have a big picnic and go to the fireworks display on OUR national independance day. It ain't you for guys. You need to find out an English holiday and celebrate it. Don't you preach a big sermon on the near July 4th Sunday about freedom and independance and then preach submission. Put me down with the men from Valley Forge who left bloody trails in the snow because they would not be submissive to a tyrant, criminal King! Thanks ------Bart What about it Pastor Larry? What about it Bro Bob? What about it the rest of you? Let's throw down the glove right here!