Roman Catholic Atrocities

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  1. Michael Wrenn

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    For those who disbelieve that the RCC has perpetrated atrocities and horrors down through the ages, here are some links; also, there is an abundance of Christian history resources in libraries that attest to these facts.

    First, here's a link to the famous *Foxe's Book of Martyrs,* chronicling persecution of Protestants: http://www.gospelweb.net/foxindex.htm Scroll down and start with Chapter 4: "Papal Persecutions."

    A link to *Martyr's Mirror*, the Anabaptist counterpart to John Foxe's Book of Martyrs: http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/intro.htm

    Some other sites: http://www.rcb.com.au/html/reader_guide/reader_guide002.htm Read "The Pope's Sorrow."
    http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/timeline.htm Scroll down to '"The Beast" that was' (Rev.17:8).
    http://www.danfake.home.att.net/history/christian_church_history.htm Scroll down to a link to "The Horrors of the Inquisition".
    http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=apolinq The article is entitled "Apology or Inquisition". Also, look under "Contents" on the left and click on the heading "Mass Murderer".

    Finally, from an article entitled "The World's Final Religion":
    "Just recently the Catholic Church has officially admitted the persecution of those who did not agree with them. Some historians tell us that during the dark ages, over fifty million Anabaptist were put to death because they refused to practice infant baptism. Even the reformers put their hands to the flames as they continued the pattern of the past by persecuting those who did not accept their interpretation of the Scriptures."
     
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    It doesn't stop. Do a www.google.com search on Catholic Sex Scandals. While witnessing this weekend somebody threw that up in my face. It seems up here in Mass. one priest a month falls under pedophile charges, & one lady told me "I don't want to hear it. You priests rape little boys & the church hides it, all you religions are the same, one big cult". I didn't know what to tell her, I mean my heart breaks as hard as anybodies when I hear this. What to we, as christians tell these people ?
     
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    Why don't you guys just cut to the chase and give the link to Chick's site?

    Your uncritical acceptance of whatever you can find on the internet through a word search of "Catholic" and whatever other vile words of your choice will no doubt produce enough trash to satisfy your baser needs.

    The fundi version of porno. Too bad your parents don't buy a filter to protect you from your addiction.

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    I see it in my newspapers everyday. Calling us names & insulting us doesn't change the facts.

    Google searches will work better than me going thru old newspapers & posting them.

    Perhaps the problem lies in the unscriptual manner the RCC conducts most of it's affairs.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Curtis:
    I see it in my newspapers everyday. Calling us names & insulting us doesn't change the facts.

    Google searches will work better than me going thru old newspapers & posting them.

    Perhaps the problem lies in the unscriptual manner the RCC conducts most of it's affairs.
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    You see it in newspapers everyday? Exaggeration or false witness?

    Oh, wait a minute.... exaggeration is false witness.

    Google searches work better than going thru old newspapers. Kids would probably give the same advice to their porn searching friends. It's an addiction: admit it and you are on the first step to recovery.

    Your last comment is a manifestation of that addiction.
     
  8. HankD

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    Dear T2U,

    You said...

    &lt;&lt;Oh, wait a minute.... exaggeration is false witness...&gt;&gt;

    So are cover-ups and re-constructionism.

    HankD
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HankD:
    So are cover-ups and re-constructionism.
    HankD
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    And this coming from the fella who says the RCC started in 800AD! LOL!
     
  10. Pauline

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    Mr. Curtis,
    What do we say to people who are scandalized by the sins of Christians?

    We admit that we Christians do sin. And that is exactly why we need Jesus Christ and His Church. At the same time, we point out that there is a much higher moral life overall among Christians than among the worldly. For every Christian who commits a grave sin, there are thousands who live good and pure moral lives. You just don't read about those in the media.

    The Pope has taught us Catholics not to be afraid to admit the sins of Catholics. He has admitted them. The rest of us should follow his example. People accuse the Catholic Church of covering up such sins. But the truth is that in our society in past generations, such things were often covered up, among Catholics, Protestants, cults, and the unchurched and worldly.

    Catholic priest pedophiles? Actually the per centage is slightly less than in general society. I hate the fact that there are any, but people who throw this at us need to keep it in perspective. For every priest who commits a sexual sin, there are thousands who faithfully live their vows of celibacy.

    Cases of sexual abuse are showing up now because there has been a shift in attitude in our society. We know these things must be dealt with and not be swept under the rug. But also, some of these cases are false accusations and the people are out for money from the dioceses. This was proven in one case with a cardinal, who forgave the man who falsely accused him.

    Right now in Oregon we have a big scandal because of a Mormon, in a position of authority, accused of sexual sins. There certainly have been cases involving Protestant pastors and youth pastors.

    We Catholics have certainly been in need of a great sweep of spiritual renewal for some years now. And it has begun. Thanks be to God. We have many fine and morally upright seminarians and young priests now. I see the same need among Protestants. We Christians always stand in need of spiritual renewal.

    Pauline
     
  11. Pauline

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    Michael,
    You really worked hard -- finding and posting all those links. Sorry you put so much into it. It wasn't worth the effort.

    Every one of those links is rabidly anti-Catholic. Foxe and Paisley are neither one reliable. But I still went through the links you posted and checked them out for accuracy. I found many inaccuracies. I won't call them out and out lies, because I don't know the motivation behind what they wrote.
    But they certainly are guilty of shoddy research, if they did any at all.

    Some examples:
    Peter wasn't in Rome.
    Pope Pius XII ignored the plight of the Jews during WWII.
    Inquistors were answerable only to the pope.
    The inquisitors could use any instrument of torture so long as it had been blessed by a priest.
    They slowly dismembered and dislocated the body.
    Galileo was nearly put to death for constructing his telescope and discovering the moons of Jupiter.
    Catholic Church has opposed all scientific discoveries, including the printing press.
    Fifty million Anabaptists put to death because they refused to practice infant baptism.
    Etc., etc.

    Michael, can you tell me how many people there were in Europe during the dark ages when this 50 million Anabaptists were put to death?

    Pauline
     
  12. TP

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    Greetings,

    Fox book of Martyrs is historical garbage, no repuptable historian would use it.

    As far as clergy sexual abuse: this is not just a catholic problem. See this site: www.shasta.com/sphaws/pastors.html

    Peace
     
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    Some of you have your heads in the sand. I wonder how many of you would have raised a voice of protest if you'd lived during the time the RCC was butchering hundreds of thousands. If you had, you'd have been torched or taken to the chop block, too.

    Pauline,

    You asked for sources; I posted a few. The RC murders and persecutions are historically verifiable--they are established facts, admitted even by Roman Catholics and the pope. There are many scholarly resources available; if anyone doubts the veracity of this, simply check out your local library, as I mentioned before. I used the internet because I couldn't get to a libray in the middle of the night. But I've reserached this for years, from both non-Catholic and Catholic sources. There is absolutely no doubt that the RCC is the biggest persecutor and murderer in the history of Christendom, as I said before. The facts are incontrovertible.

    trying,

    The truth often hurts and offends, but it is still the truth. Addiction? The only addiction I've seen is the RCC addiction over many centuries to spilling the blood of countless millions who dared oppose their Satanic despotism.

    TP and Pauline,

    The sexual problem among Catholic clergy is a direct result of the unbiblical and demonic RCC policy of forced celibacy of priests.
     
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    In my opinion there is ample evidence to show atrocities perpetuated by the Roman Catholic Church in the past, though possibly some of it is exaggerated.

    BUT I think concerning sexual sins there is little room for ANY denomination to throw stones at another. Though I don't agree with celibacy for priests (or preachers), that certainly is not the only contributing factor to sexual sins. A respected married pastor of a fairly large Southern Baptist church in our area was caught molesting young boys a few years back! :mad: There's no use slinging charges and counter charges in this arena - there's enough guilt to go around.
     
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    rlvaughn,
    I agree. Its hard enough being a married man with all the filth out there to keep ourselves clean. It must be even harder while trying to live a celibate life. They ought to let priests get married. The catholic priesthood is becoming a haven for homosexuals.
     
  16. TP

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    Greetings,

    It is interesting to listening to people give numbers in reference to atrocities of the past. A poster here mentions hundreds of thousands, then he mentions millions. I will admite there were atrocities done by Catholic Christians throughout history, just as there are sinful people everywhere.

    But for much of the middle ages the biggest cities of Europe had 10,000 people or less. For the Church to kill millions of people it would involve killing almost all the adults of europe a couple of times over. Even to kill hundreds of thousands would be more than the black plague with depleted the labor market of Europe. All these numbers thrown about have NOTHING to do with reality.

    As far as heresy goes: Every person brought before an inquisition would have very long trials, and then the transfer from ecclesial to civil courts so that civil authorities could deal with the person(Ecclesial authority did not put people to death, only civil authority could). To have millions brought before the inquisition would have involved Multimillion number of people doing the trials. By the way, Many people went before the inquisition and were aquitted, including many saints.

    peace
     
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    Perhaps some will find these links interesting. The first gives the Roman Catholic response on the Inquisition and the second gives a viewpoint of an educational institution. This is a Rice University web site, but I didn't find any info on the author.

    [ January 21, 2002: Message edited by: rlvaughn ]
     
  18. Pauline

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    Ps,
    If celibacy is the cause of sexual sins, then how come there is a higher rate of such sins among married Protestant pastors?

    Pauline
     
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    So the Catholic church committed atrocities in past centuries!!! Is there a point to rehashing all that again?

    I come from a Reformed Baptist theology and am no compromiser with the RCC. However, let's be fair. This is 2002 and it is very difficult to judge what people did 50 years ago, let alone several centuries ago. As much as I disagree with RCC doctrine let's give them a break here. Number one the atrocities have been greatly blown our of portion. And you then need to show all the atrocities that the protestants committed.

    The way I look at it, it just proves the Total Depravity of man. Just like the 20th Century. If you want to talk about atrocities look at the bloodiest century in history.

    If you want to attack or insult the current members of the Catholic Church, why not do it on their doctrines. God knows, there is plenty to attack there!!!!! Even on that score, I'm sure they get sick and tried of hearing about Mary, the Pope etc.

    If I do get into a discussion with a Catholic I prefer to keep it a battle of ideas and theology. I mean, to each his own, but if we are to shed any light on the gospel it won't be by brining up the Crusades and the lost Popes.

    James2
     
  20. Michael Wrenn

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    TP,

    The numbers are not exaggerated. You must keep in mind that this persecution and murder did not happen only over the course of a few years; no, it happened systematically over the course of many hundreds of years--many centuries. The RCC was a persecuting, torturing, killing machine which would not tolerate any dissent or any challenge to its unbiblical, non-Christian despotism.
     

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