Romans 8:38-?Does God love all men?

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  1. BrotherJoe

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    Brothers and Sisters,

    To those who believe God love extends to every single human being I have a question. Romans 8:38 tells us, "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord"

    Since we know some individuals will ultimatly be damned and thus seperated from God, how do you avoid a contradiction with what this verse clearly teaches about the Love of God and your belief?


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  2. Wes Outwest

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    Any separation that comes between God and man has as it's source only God or man....nothing else! You will notice that the things mentioned by Paul do not include man or God. So it is man alone or God that causes the separation.
     
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    BROTHER WES SAID: Any separation that comes between God and man has as it's source only God or man....nothing else! You will notice that the things mentioned by Paul do not include man or God. So it is man alone or God that causes the separation


    BROTHER JOE: Brother Wes, notice the verse states that "nothing" can seperate us from the love of God. Man is clearly some thing.

    Notice, the verse also specify "nor any other creature" can seperate us from the Love of God. Man is a creature. American Heritage Dictionary defines creature as the following:

    crea·ture (krchr) KEY

    NOUN:

    Something created.

    A living being , especially an animal: land creatures; microscopic creatures in a drop of water.
    A human."


    So I ask again, how do you reconcile this verse with your belief? Any further answers?

    God bless,

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  4. Wes Outwest

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    Well BrotherJoe, you don't accept the truth as I see it, what do you want from me, lies?
     
  5. BrotherJoe

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    Brother Wes,

    No brother. Just asking questions in an attempt to expose what I believe to be the truth. Guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one brother!

    God bless you,

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    St Paul uses lots of pronouns. Christian theology is mostly putting a name to the pronouns.
     
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    Bro. Joe- easy answer to the question and it just comes from a simple examination of the verse. Notice first of all the use of the word 'us.' Who are the us? Believers. The last phrase of the verse explains this: "which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." The love of God is extended to 'us' who are are 'in Christ Jesus OUR Lord.' The verse is pretty self explanitory- it's not a reference to love for the damned, but for the saved.
     
  8. Wes Outwest

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    OK, I just spent the last two hours whiting out John 3:16 and writing in the correct translation according to whetstone because whetstone says it ain't true the way it's been translated for some 2000 years. Whetstone says that God's love does not extend to the whole world, only to those that God elects to give his love to, whom HE picked out before HE created the world.

    Now John 3:16 reads "For God so loved only a few...some... in the world, that he gave his only begotten son to die only for the sins of those that God regenerates, because they are compelled to believe in him and have everlasting life."


    ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? ...... (that's shouting, king james)
     
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    You're putting words into my mouth (as usual). I think you do this because you have so many that your own mouth can't contain them.

    My conclusion was that the verse in question was not referring to every person, but to those who are in Christ. Reread my post, then apologize.
     
  10. Wes Outwest

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    Whetstone, there is no apology coming. I have paraphrased your thoughts that you have been posting for the last many months on the matter and you don't like it! Repent from your dogma and I will not post such things any more.
     
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    ROFL. i say apologize, you say 'repent.' nice little game we play here. I will refrain from 'paraphrasing your thoughts' because frankly they are not appropriate for this board.

    Does the rain fall on the just and the unjust? Most definitely. Does God have enough love even for the damned to allow them to partake in life, pleasure, and common grace? Yes. Does God have the same love for Judas as He has for Peter? Not on your life.
     
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    This scripture is about Paul rejoicing in God's love for those who believe, who eternally want to remain apart of His love. Because it's point is about believers does not mean God does not also love sinners of the world. He loves sinners and would have them all be saved but there comes the time of separation which will occur not because God wills separation but because man has separated himself by rejecting God.
     
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    ROFL. i say apologize, you say 'repent.' nice little game we play here. I will refrain from 'paraphrasing your thoughts' because frankly they are not appropriate for this board.

    Does the rain fall on the just and the unjust? Most definitely. Does God have enough love even for the damned to allow them to partake in life, pleasure, and common grace? Yes. Does God have the same love for Judas as He has for Peter? Not on your life.
    </font>[/QUOTE]How do you know that?

    Isn't there a parable about the land owner sending out for laborers and at the end of the day paying them all the same wage even though some came late in the day and did not work as long or perhaps as hard?

    So how can you say that God doesn't love all equally?
     
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    The parable of the wages doesn't refer to love but wages. Let's look at some Bible instances where God didn't love equally:

    God loved Jacob over Esau
    God loved Isaac over Ishmael
    God loved David over Saul
    God loved John over the other 11 disciples

    How about instances where God 'played favorites?'

    God played favorites with Abraham
    God played favorites with Jacob
    God played favorites with David
    God played favorites with Peter, James and John

    Why is it so hard to accept that God loves His bride over the damned? Why is it so hard to accept that God is playing favorites with His bride? Isn't He allowed to love and favor the bride more than those that hate Him?
     
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    Hello Wes.
    it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
    it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
    it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

    The long suffering department means it don't it? It actually means long suffering! :cool: Funny that. :cool: One would think that one would get used to it. :cool:

    Just in case the above did not catch your eye I say it again but not I but the Word of God.

    it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
    it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
    it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." Romans 9:13.

    john.
     
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    it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."


    it is rewritten: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I loved."

    nice one Wes yet another word bites the dust

    john.
     
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    This was spoken in Malachi not GENESIS. IT was said CENTURIES AFTER BOTH men had died and it was spoken of the HISTORY of their decendants based on rebellion vs obedience in the lives of those populations!

    So "yes" the fact is "God so LOVED the World that HE GAVE... Yes REALLY!!"

    The idea that God "DID NOT REALLY SO LOVE THE WORLD" has to be "invented" by Calvinists and then foisted onto unsuspecting Christians.

    Interesting how God WEEPS over the lost in JACOB!!

    In Christ,

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    Interesting how He weeps over the lost in general with "no pleasure in the death of ANYONE"!!

    When the “unchanging God” weeps and grieves over the lost - He is not simply pretending so we will be duped into "thinking" He loves them and works for their salvation, when in fact He cares nothing at all for our children and loved ones that are “not elect”.

    God’s Grieving involves tears as a parent weeps for a lost child!!

    Lament over Jerusalem
    God is sorrowful and GRIEVES for the lost and for the fact that He has done so much to win them - yet they TURN away.
    God’s Spirit is grieved by the rebellion of His CHOSEN people His HOLY nation His ROYAL priesthood. Yes even by the LOST among them – even the worst among them.
    ALL of God’s Compassion is stirred up within Him over the finally lost!

     
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    Interesting how God gets displeased with the saints if they try the Calvinist stunt of expressing joy over the suffering/loss of the wicked.


     
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    Intersting how God rejects JohnP's notion that "God is the AUTHOR OF SIN"

     

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