Since Romans 8:7 seems to be the verse that some hang their hat on to prove Total Inability, it needs to have it's own thread and be dissected so that folks know what this verse really means, and that it does NOT support the assertions offered by certain "biblicists" on here. " Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:7 Now the Calvinist biblicist writes the verse as follows, " Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be". with emphasis on the "neither indeed CAN BE". The trumpet is sounded in victory and there you have it, the sinner CAN NOT BE SUBJECT to the law of God. However, a consistent reading of this chapter with this form of "exegesis" would lead to the erroneous conclusion that we are saved by works. Romans 8:13 states that "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" Thus if verse 7 is applying to the unsaved, then verse 13 shows that salvation comes by mortifying the deeds of the flesh. There are verses that DO show the unsaved are at enmity with God (James 4:4), but not from THIS VERSE. What Romans 8:7 does NOT say is that "Because the unsaved is at enmity against God. For the unsaved is neither subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be". That's not what it says. What it does read is that the CARNAL MIND is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Now, anyone that has ever debated a Calvinist for any period of time knows how often they resort to pronouns such as "WE" "US" "OUR" to show that the audience was BELIEVERS (see any Calvinist interpretation of 2 Peter 3:9 where to US-WARD is referred to as only the elect are those to whom God does not want to perish). So using their logic on such terms, look at the following verse that identify Paul's audience: "Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh." v12 Paul is showing that a believer can not PLEASE GOD if he has a carnal mind. 8:8. The question then becomes, can a Christian be saved and have a carnal mind? "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ." 1 Cor 3:1 Notice that Paul speaks to them as carnal, and yet says "AS BABES IN CHRIST" Paul then moves on the assert that: "2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?" Romans chapter 8 followed the heals of Romans 7 where Paul showed that even though he had a WILL do to good, he struggled with doing what he WANTED to do (Rom 7:18), and Romans 7 follows verses such as Romans 6:16: "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Although a Christian is permanently saved, a believer's sin can often lead to physical death, whether by natural consequences or judgment of God. 1 Cor 5:5, 1 John 5:16, Acts 5:1-7 [if you don't agree with those 2 being saved, then stick to the first 2 verses]. In Romans 6:16, it is clear that you have a choice between 2 natures depending on which one you FEED (yield to). Nevertheless the entire context from chapters 6-8 is about the believer living in victory of the flesh, and the inability to please God with a carnal mind. Romans 8:7 has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with an unsaved person having total inability or no will to be able to choose God or seek God. Now Calvinists may try to make an argument for this elsewhere (as they normally do from Ephesians 2:1-9) but Calvinists have a much better chance at attempting to prove their doctrine from Ephesians 2 (albeit however erroneous)than with Romans 8:7.