Romans 9-15

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    What is the main teaching of this section of scripture?
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    1. Romans 9:7
    2. Genesis 21:12-12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
    3. Romans 9:9
    4. Genesis 18:10, 14-And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
    5. s any thing too hard for the Lord? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
    6. Romans 9:12
    7. Genesis 25:23-And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
    8. Romans 9:13
    9. Malachi 1:2, 3-
      I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,

      3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
    10. Romans 9:15
    11. Exodus 33:19-And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
    12. Romans 9:17
    13. Exodus 9:16-And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
    14. Romans 9:25
    15. Hosea 2:23-And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God
    16. Romans 9:26
    17. Hosea 1:10-Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
    18. Romans 9:27
    19. Isaiah 10:22, 23-Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.For the Lord God of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
    20. Romans 9:29
    21. Isaiah 1:9-Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
    22. Romans 9:33
    23. Isaiah 8:14;-And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
    24. 28:16-Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

     
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    A: There is a future for Israel (the Nation). They will be "grafted in" to God (the "root") once again.

    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
    And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
     
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    1. Romans 10:5
    2. Leviticus 18:5-5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord.
    3. Romans 10:6,7,8
    4. Deuteronomy 30:12-13,14
      11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

      12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

      13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

      14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

      15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil
    5. Romans 10:11
    6. Isaiah 28:16-16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
    7. Romans 10:13
    8. Joel 2:32-32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
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    10. Romans 10:15
    11. Isaiah 52:7;- 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
    12. Nahum 1:15-15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.
    13. Romans 10:16
    14. Isaiah 53:1- Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
    15. Romans 10:18
    16. Psalm 19:4-Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
    17. Romans 10:19
    18. Deuteronomy 32:21-They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
    19. Romans 10:20
    20. Isaiah 65:1-I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
    21. Romans 10:21
    22. Isaiah 65:2-I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
     
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    1. Romans 11:3
    2. 1 Kings 19:10,-d he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
    3. 14-And he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
    4. Romans 11:4
    5. 1 Kings 19:18-Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him

    6. Romans 11:8
    7. Deuteronomy 29:4;-Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
    8. Isaiah 29:10-For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
    9. Romans 11:10
      Psalm 69:22, 23-
      Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

      23 Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.
    1. Romans 11:27
    2. Isaiah 59:20, 21=
      And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

      21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever
    3. Romans 11:34
    4. Isaiah 40:13;-
      13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
    5. Jeremiah 23:18-
      18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
    6. Romans 11:35
    7. Job 41:11-Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
     
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    1. Romans 12:19
    2. Deuteronomy 32:35-To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
    3. Romans 12:20

    4. Proverbs 25:21, 22-
      If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

      22 For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the Lord shall reward thee.
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    1. Romans 13:9
    2. Exodus 20:13–15, 17; -
      13 Thou shalt not kill.

      14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

      15 Thou shalt not steal.

      16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

      17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
    3. Deuteronomy 5:17–19, 21-
      17 Thou shalt not kill.

      18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.

      19 Neither shalt thou steal.
    4. Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
    5. Romans 13:9
    6. Leviticus 19:18-Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
     
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    Romans 14:11
    Isaiah 45:23-have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
    Rom15
    1. Romans 15:3
    2. Psalm 69:9-For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
    3. Romans 15:9
    4. 2 Samuel 22:50; -Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.
    5. Psalm 18:49-Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.
    6. Romans 15:10
    7. Deuteronomy 32:43-Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
    8. Romans 15:11
    9. Psalm 117:1-O praise the Lord, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
    10. Romans 15:12
    11. Isaiah 11:10-And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
    12. Romans 15:21
    13. Isaiah 52:15-So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
     
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    Romans 14:11
    Isaiah 45:23-have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
    Rom15
    1. Romans 15:3
    2. Psalm 69:9-For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
    3. Romans 15:9
    4. 2 Samuel 22:50; -Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.
    5. Psalm 18:49-Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.
    6. Romans 15:10
    7. Deuteronomy 32:43-Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
    8. Romans 15:11
    9. Psalm 117:1-O praise the Lord, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
    10. Romans 15:12
    11. Isaiah 11:10-And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
    12. Romans 15:21
    13. Isaiah 52:15-So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

    The Holy Spirit highlights Ot. Israel"s failure.
    God has already saved a remnant to Himself
    The curses of Deut 29-33 come upon Israel.
    The blessings of the coming redeemer come to Zion.
    From there beginning with the remnant the Kingdom spreads worldwide to the gentile nations...jew and gentile one new man.
    all of the promises in Isa. belong to the Church .
    Jesus is ;
    8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

    9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

    10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

    11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.

    12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

    13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
     
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    God is able to graft them in again. Many believe He will before the end of time. It us not a guarantee.
    Romans 9-15 finishes with Gentiles coming safely into God's millennial rule as is indicated by Rom 15:12.
    That is clearly happening since the time of the Apostles.
    The church is central in God 's plan.
     
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    I noticed that in addition to this covenant mentioned in Romans 11:27 [Isaiah 59:21], there are some other covenants concerning the Nation of Israel (aka: "Jacob", "Israel").

    But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    Jeremiah 31:33
    And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel. Numbers 25:13

    Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
    And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:5-6

    As Paul stated: "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."
     
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    That nation as a whole failed to keep the covenant as they promised they would.
    God brought the covenant curses of Deut 28-33 upon them...as Jesus told them mt21:43.
    Peter speaks of the Christian nation in 1 pet 2 that is now the Holy nation made up of the elect remnant of Jews and believing gentiles now.The exo19 passage now finds fulfillment in the Christian Israel. As Peter declares
     
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    The Future Nation of Israel is described in Ezekiel 48. It is populated by Israelites and Mosaic Law is practiced. John's Baptism was the first step in preparation for priesthood, the entire nation following would have fulfilled Exodus 19. Israel would be a light unto the Gentile Nations with Messiah's throne there on Zion. Here is the layout as described in Ezek 48:
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    None of this is found in Romans 9-15......Gentiles are already coming into the Kingdom now.
     
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    I think a good starting place would be here...

    Romans 11
    25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

    Iconoclast, what do you think Paul is talking about here?
     
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    I will address more on Romans 11 25 and 26 later on when I sit at the computer but I'm just curious why you think this is a good place to start when the way I set up the thread is to look at Romans nine chapters 9 to 15 and I list 60 vs or more from the Old Testament that the Holy Spirit gave to the Apostle Paul to construct what we have in our Bible,
    As Romans 9thru15 why do you think I wanted to vs because it speaks about Israel and maybe your presuppositions .
    what about the other 60 vs that the Holy Spirit gave the Paul is an explanation of what was taking place in the preaching of the gospel.
     
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    No offense, but i'll wait until you get to a computer, i'm having a difficult time reading your post.
     
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    No offense taken it was voice to text it's pouring rain here in Alabama near Birmingham so its like I'm lucky any of the words come out sometime the voice to text changes at the curse words after watch out I don't know what's up with this thing
     
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    I tried to edit it a little so I maybe you can make it out and think about it.
    Read post 7 and 8 and I think it'll start to give an indication where I'm going to go with it
     
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    Ok, whoops...i'll try and comply with the OP...my apologies.
     
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    I would say *Christ* is central in God's plan. I'm not being nit-picky, this is important to confirm before going forward.
     
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    Lol.
    .. you don't have to apologize I know you want to go to Romans 11 for a couple of days now so we'll get there
     

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