Romney says he would keep parts of Obama healthcare law

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  1. Jedi Knight

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    Nope, he's a fan of the law. His earlier comments always held back, now he's gotta say he'll some provisions to win undecideds. It's all part of the big top show.

    That said, I have long held that the component of the ACA which should be kept is the part forbidding discrimination based on pre-existing conditions. There are some other aspects but the truth up for Romney is that he can't oppose the entire law and garner large support from undecideds. It's just simple math.
     
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    We have some very intelligent people in this country in the area of insurance, medical administration, and government. There must be a way to fashion a bill that gives everyone coverage at a reasonable cost based on need relying to the greatest extent on the private market, and limited government involvement. Government involvement should be limited to enforcing regulations against abuse, such as denial for pre existing conditions, and excessive profits. (plus other issues). Greed created the demand for the law in the first place, but the idea of government involvement doing anything efficiently is ludicrous.

    The op points out why Romney is a weak candidate. His record in MA with his health care bill, then saying he will repeal Obamacare strains the imagination. One must ask, what does he mean by repeal? Probably replacing it with something that will institute several of the present provisions.
     
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    But, SN, that is fine if it covers pre-existing conditions. If we could purchase healthcare insurance over state lines, competition would be good because it would lower our rates. No one on either side has answered the question why we can buy life insurance, dental insurance, homeowners insurance, etc. over state lines but we can't health insurance. I know the reason why - partly because of different state laws and mostly because of the health insurance lobby.

    There are intelligent people on both sides of the aisle, but they are beholden to the lobbyists and corporate cronies (and so is the White House).

    One difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that Romneycare did not force businesses to provide health insurance for employees, thus did not meddle into freedom of religion or small business. I wish Romney would point that out.
     
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    In the short term it would lower our rates. But soon there would be one or two states that would create tax havens for health insurance companies and all companies would eventually move to that state. Then rates would normalize to be about the same for everyone.

    This same effect was seen with credit card companies. Delaware and South Dakota made laws favorable to credit card companies and now most credit card companies have the headquarters in either Delaware or South Dakota. Don't you find it curious that with the prime interest rate at only 3.25%, people with sterling credit ratings are paying credit card interest rates in the mid-teens?
     
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    There's a whole bunch of provisions in ObamaCare that I would keep.

    1. No denial of coverage on pre-existing conditions
    2. No yearly or lifetime cap on benefits
    3. Same rates for men and women (women currently pay more.)
    4. No dropping of coverage.
    5. One free physical exam per year.
    6. Coverage of children up to age 25, if desired.
    7. One free eye exam per year.

    I'm sure there are others I can't think of off the top of my head right now.
     
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    Someone in their 20's needs to go get their own insurance for crying out loud. I have not seen much dumber.
     
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    Explain why a 22 year old student still living at home would need to get their own insurance?
     
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    Much less a 24 year old who graduated from college, on time, with a good degree but can't find work. Also, the 25 year old who is finishing a Masters Degree that will benefit them greatly but can't make enough money now to pay for insurance. (BTW, the last one was me while I was in seminary. Thankfully I had great health, but that's not everyone.)

    Too often some believe everyone should fit into their experience and expectations.
     
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    You know I'm willing to have the conversation again, but I don't know too many people that look at the American health care system and say "man, that's a model of effeciency, stewardship, and generosity."

    Why is it the most prosperous society in the world cannot help the least of us?

    As I mentioned above I'm not at all surprised Romney would support aspects of the bill. I support aspects of the ACA. There are some good provisions in there.

    The fact is that our health care system is messed up. As a result we've got some of the highest medical costs in the world and a growing percentage of the population that either can't afford insurance, can't afford adequate insurance, and/or are in incredible debt because of their medical costs. I told my wife the other day: "It's expensive to stay alive in the US" when we heard how much a procedure for a friend with cancer was costing. (BTW, she and her husband are both lawyers at good firms with good insurance and their insurancce company is trying to shut down her chemo...really?)

    I believe that as a society we should provide basic health care for anyone who desires it through the existing structure of federal Medicare and Medicaid systems. It shouldn't be mandatory (that flies in the face of the original intent of the Founders) but should be available. It should be basic service that covers the bases and helps out when major procedures are needed. (Granted some states offer this already.)

    Why can't we offer this to the least of us? We are a highly prosperous society, the most prosperous in history, and we don't have an adequate system of providing for our people. Not everyone in the US is a white, middle class, educated conservative. A couple of months ago I had a speaking engagement in a rural locale of a state in the middle of our fair union. The town was smaller and I encountered a number of people who had spent most of their lives working in the industrial plants near the town. Several of these plants had shut down and many of the older workers (people in their 50s) couldn't find stable work. Of these people they were relying on public assistance to aid them in their health struggles. I can't imagine they wouldn't be helped by a program of generosity that they could be part of that provides for them. There are many other examples throughout our union.

    The basic point is this: I don't think the ACA is entirely bad, but there are some rather terrible parts to the bill. There are some good parts to the bill. Why not salvage those and provide for our people?

    Maybe this is a red herring, but I'll toss it out there: the honest assessment of our post-9/11 military strategy points out that for the offensives in Iraq and Afghanistan we spent, as a nation, $1.3 trillion dollars (cite: www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933935.html) to hunt down approximately 10,000 terrorists. Neither campaign was wholly successful and both have had serious negative consequences. The collective cost of "solving" the health care crisis in the US is about is about $800 billion. I'll just let that thought sink in.
     
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    The American Government was never intended to be a socialist system to provide basic needs. And it is rather contradictory to complain about helping the least of these via government and then complaining about inefficiency.
     
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    I want to make sure I'm understanding you. Are you saying that Medicare/Medicaid should be expanded to provide free health care coverage for all people that can't afford to buy health insurance?
     
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    Somebody should explain to me how bankrupting the health insurance industry is going to fix our nation's medical service problems.

    The bill should be scrapped, and a new one written with both sides at the table. Like it should have been in the first place.
     
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    His unwillingness to repeal the whole travesty known as Obamacare is a big reason why I won't vote for him.
     
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    [FONT=Times,Times New Roman]When did providing healthcare to Americans become a [/FONT][FONT=Times,Times New Roman]legitimate function of government?[/FONT]
     
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    When Medicare was signed into law by LBJ in 1965.
     
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    That just made it look legal it didn't make it a legitimate function of government.
     
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    Oh, OK, I see. A law is passed, upheld by the courts, and been in effect for 47 years, but it is illegitimate...
     
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    Well you see the Military industrial Complex and the Bilderbergers have teamed together to create this in order to take over the world.
     
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    I'm talking about the legitimate functions of government not what passes as law.

    Obamacare was passed into law and upheld by the courts. So it must be legitimate, right?

    It must be a legitimate function of government then to force you to purchase a product that you may not want or need. Did you ever take delivery of the GM automobile the government forced you to pay for?
     
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