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Ron Paul: A Man Among Boys at ABC Debate

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Jan 6, 2008.

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  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Why the common person doesn't understand what is at stake.


    At the ABC Debate on Saturday night, the moderator asked the Republicans about how they would address an issue truly affecting nearly every American almost daily--rising gas prices.

    The other candidates talked about things like alternative fuels, getting us off the dependence on foreign oil, and increasing investment in technology. They also "addressed" the issue of gas prices by talking about global warming and greenhouse gases, how the oil companies were paying more to protect themselves in lawsuits than on research, and how high gas prices helped fund terrorists. I'm sorry, but what in Obama does this have to do with actually fixing the problem of surging gas prices?

    Ron Paul was a doctor for many years. In that career he could have lost his job or killed a patient if he failed to accurately diagnose and actually address the real problem. The devotion and dedication he demonstrated to each individual patient in the past is much the same as the commitment he shows to each individual American and their rights now. His previous job experience and this devotion has made it impossible for him to dodge diagnosing and addressing real issues even today.

    Which is why when he was asked about the gas price problem, instead of engaging in ridiculous political speak, he quoted the Wall Street Journal. The Journal ran an article showing that gas prices weren't rising anywhere else in the world. Only in America. Why? You see, the cost of gas isn't rising, the value of the dollar is decreasing. Like I explained to my dad, the value of oil hasn't increased, it just takes a lot more dollars to buy the same amount because the dollar is worth less.

    This issue isn't discussed openly because it doesn't resonate with voters the way issues like "free health care" or "securing our borders" or "protecting us from terrorists" do. How many Americans even realize that the U.S. dollar is worth less than a Canadian Dollar? Using the Canadian Dollar as the benchmark, how many people know that after the terrorist attacks on 9/11 the dollar was stronger than it was in 2000? How many people realize that in 2002, when the war in Iraq began. the value of our dollar began to decrease? It hasn't stopped its decline since, and is now reaching historical lows. As the data in the chart below indicates, it wasn't the attacks of 9/11 that destroyed our dollar, it was our response to them.

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  2. KenH

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    I was watching the debate when that question was asked. It was clear from the answers that the only person on the stage who knew what was going on with the price of oil was Ron Paul.
     
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  3. poncho

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    The others must of been to busy primping for the cameras and studying their "gang up and attack Ron Paul scripts" to study basic economics I reckon Ken. They really are scared of his plain honesty and message aren't they? So much so that some even tried to steal his message and use it as their own. Did you notice that too?

    I also noticed Rudy wasn't about to let Ron Paul give him a detailed and accurate history lesson. Guess I shouldn't expect world government statists to listen to reason.
     
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  4. Salty

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    Americans are paying about $3 per gallon of which about 17% is taxes.

    That means tax is about 50 cents per gallon



    But that is chicken feed. The UK is paying about $7 a gallon

    At the moment, taxes in France make up about 70 percent of the pump price. For comparison, the U.S. federal gasoline tax of of 2005 was 18.4 cents per gallon, with each State adding between 10 and 33 cents of tax, according to Widipedia. That makes the maximum gasoline tax rate 17% in the U.S. Full story: http://goeurope.about.com/od/transportation/a/gas_prices.htm

    This doesn't mean I am happy with the price, but thank goodness we are not paying more.
    Does Ron Paul advocate pumping more oil offshore, does he believe in building more refineries? That is what we need to to.

    Poncho said in Post # 1
    "...how many people know that after the terrorist attacks on 9/11 the dollar was stronger than it was in 2000? "

    When our dollar is weaker overseas, then foreigners are able to buy more American made products. Again this is a case of "there are both advantages and disavantages"





    I hope I get an answer

    Salty
     
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  5. KenH

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    Ron Paul advocates allowing the free market to work.
     
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    Poncho didn't say that. The author of the article did. I got a challenge for ya...take a fist full of yer dollars go downtown and try to buy American made goods with em. I try all the time but can hardly find any...what are they so cheap now that they'll only sell overseas? I have noticed in my travels that the communists have no trouble selling their wares over here though. And even they are getting too expensive to buy anymore. What's up with that? Has the cost of keeping slaves in their labor pool increased?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul303.html

    http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Energy_+_Oil.htm



    I hope I get an answer too.
     
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    Q: Do you support the goal of energy independence in the U.S.?

    Paul A: Sure. But independence does not mean to me that we produce everything. I don't believe governments have to provide every single ounce of energy. I see independence as having no government-mandated policy: If you need oil or energy, you can buy it.

    Q: What about being independent from the Middle East, so we're not buying oil from hostile countries?

    Paul A: I think it's irrelevant. We wouldn't be buying it directly, we would be buying it on the world market.



    From all I can gather, Paul would allow the tapping of our own natural resources (oil), but has no provision on how to accomplish that feat.
     
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    The problem is the free market is not being allowed to work
     
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    Why would he need a provision? The oil companies woudn't require him to hold their hand, so long as he got out of their way.
     
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    FWIW, this poster is starting to come around to supporting Ron Paul for Pres.
     
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    The rise and fall of the dollar is a subject that is a little esoteric to the average individual like me. The subject of currency and its value, banking, credit, the dollar, the euro, etc is something that I never fully understood so maybe others that are well versed in this subject can help me. If the decreased value of the dollar is what is driving up the cost of oil, wouldnt that mean that the cost of everything else would rise also? Like DVD players, digital cameras, computers, automobiles and other items?
     
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    The tree huggers of America have managed to get courts to stop every effort to tap our own resources in the continental shelf and places like ANWAR.

    Paul has no way to get around those rulings without enabling legislation. Democrats will not allow the legislation to go through.

    I would have thought you already knew this. :tonofbricks:
     
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    Good point. It seems that Republicans are no match for the environmentalist and their enablers in the news media. It all boils down to the cynicism that has been stirred up in the minds of the American people against the oil companies by the Democrats, the liberal media and "scientists" with a political agenda. Buy a horse.:thumbs:
     
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    Ron Paul's claim that America is being attacked by the Muslim world is a result of our own foreign policy is completely ignorant. He was soundly refuted on this point by Romney and Guiliani. To me, Ron Paul's views are more naieve than Jimmy Carter's and would be as disastrous. I don't see how anyone takes him seriously.
     
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    swaim, I completely agree.
     
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    Some of his answers to complicated issues are amazingly simple.

    Many are simplistic, and yes, naive as well.
     
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    Welcome! Now help us wake up the Leroys of the country please.
     
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    OK, When the dollar is devalued anything that is made in America decreases in cost,what Poncho was saying is that it is very diffucult to find anything made here. But in the same sense,anything made outside this country becomes more and more expensive. ie oil,drilled from and purchased from foreign countries,dvd players from china,etc this is why I am concerned. If China and the other nations that we owe a debt to,to the tune of 9 or 10 TRILLION dollars ever decide to call the debt it WILL cause HYPERINFLATION<and if you think our economy if faltering now,you will see it fall in flames like a plane from the sky,EXACTLY as it did in germany post ww1.. The reason that dvd players and other items made in china are still cheap is that they are made with less overhead,or SLAVE labor.
     
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    We may have a trade deficit to China of 9 to 10 trillion dollars (though I doubt it is that large), but the US is not in debt to China for this amount of money. Being in debt and having a trade deficit are not the same thing.
     
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    Somewhat naive and ignroant of history. But he does have some good broad theories regarding financial matters and some foreign policy. But his lack of a plan, lack of detail in interviews/debates, and constant sense of being aloof hurts his logical appeal. He does appeal to emotion very well.
     
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