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Ron Paul: A Man Among Boys at ABC Debate

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. JasmineSkye

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  2. swaimj

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    Jamie, our economy suffered in the aftermath of 9/11 because our confidence was shaken in our ability to conduct business in safety. People were afraid. This happened immediately in the day of the attack. Even if the goverment started printing money (I have no idea if they did or not) they didn't start doing it thay very day because much of the government shut down that day. The economy suffered because of the psychological effect of the attack, not because of governmental economic policy.

    What policies have been effective in preventing another attack, you ask? Two things: The Bush's willingness to go after countries that promote and tolerate terrorism and the measures they have taken to protect the US by increasing intelligence gathering and tightening internal security. Ron Paul is opposed to many of the specific steps that have been taken and his policies would put us at greater risk of another attack.

    Paul says that if we simply bring all American troops home from the mid-east, the terrorists will leave us alone. He is wrong about this and tragically naive. I sincerely hope that we are never put at risk unecessarily by having him elected to put his policies in place. An economic collapse would be a picnic compared to a nuclear attack from terrorists which would be far more likely under his policies.
     
  3. JamieinNH

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    No, I am not divine, however I was right. :thumbs:


    Your questions may have been legitimate, however when presented with answers, or links that you asked for, you just continued down your "made my mind" path. Don't try to spin this that you're actually trying to get answers that my sway your vote. You're simply on a path to discredit Ron Paul's ideas.

    I have not insulted you, so don't lump "everyone" in your statement. It's called disagreeing not insulting.


    If you don't recall, just go back and look at your post. You did in fact call us that and no, you haven't retracted that.

    Exactly how much debt goes it take before we should worry? At this point with our economy doing so well...(your words not mine) How much debt is bad?

    Do you run your household in the same manner as this government? How much debt to income ratio do you have?

    China invested for many reasons.. I am sure all the countries that invested in us wanted to help us, wanted to make some money and wanted to be a good Ally. That doesn't mean their investment is safe. Nor does it mean that just because they invested in us, that must mean we're a'ok.

    Look at how many people are loosing their homes.. They were a'ok last year. Now they are not. Times and things change.

    In my opinion, the USA is too heavy in debt and we have to cut it back.

    Jamie
     
  4. JamieinNH

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    You're complaining that peole are insulting you.. and yet you say this? Oh, I know you put a smiley behind it so that makes it ok... :rolleyes:

    Jamie
     
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    swaimj,

    I know you and others don't want to listen to Ron Paul's ideas. I understand you have your minds made up and think everything in our economy is runing just fine...

    I wonder if you will believe someone that has nothing to gain or lose from telling the truth. Someone that is in a position to know what is going on, and not guess.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE

    What you do think about his position?

    Jamie
     
  7. Ivon Denosovich

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    I wasn't sure if we were still debating preconceived notions, personal bias, etc.

    Yes, actually we are and for one simple reason: there's no end in sight to deficit spending. Indefinite deficits aren't reasonable.

    I'm not sure how relative "verge" is, but we're certainly heading towards financial destruction. This is like me telling you that you're dying (which is true) and you responding by arguing that you have a clean bill of health (which may also be true). As Milton Friedmon, late nobel winning economist, argues here the Chinese primarily invest in us because it's "safe money" as in there's no chance of our govt. arbitrarily confiscating it via military coup, political oppression, personal axes to grind, or otherwise. Also, while our economy does yield higher returns on investments than other nations that's not to say that current yields could not increase exponentially were it not for inflation due to monetary policy.
     
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    Responses to Jamie in NH
    But you were guessing and you have no right to pre-judge people. How can you pre-judge me like this and then complain if I say you are a conspiracy theorist?

    Jamie, I have not been presented with answers to many of the questions I have asked on this thread. Thank you for responding to one of them.

    We have a fundamental disagreement here because you seem to be saying that any debt whatsoever is bad. Obviously, the US has carried debt for many years and, so far, we have not had an economic collapse. In fact, the last time the US DID have an economic collapse, the government was basicly debt-free and ran a surplus.

    Since the economic recovery following the Great depression there have many instances of economic downturns, but no economic collapses. You don't know that we are headed for one.

    The person I was speaking to responded to this comment and he was not insulted. I don't see why you should be since the comment was not directed toward you. Please continue the conversation if you like, but let's drop the hostility.

    And please stop assuming that you already know what I think. You do not because you are a fallible, finite human as I am.

    And Ivon's comments:
    I think that this conclusion is baseless.

    Inflation?!? The US has had an historically low amount of inflation since the mid-eightees under Reagan.
     
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    I agree with him on most things as well, aside from foreign policy. I once read a book on Hitler, written by his personal architect after the end of the war (forgive me for forgetting the name), but on of the things he writes about is how in private Hitler lamented the prominence of Christianity in Germany and wished that the national religion was Islam due to the Moslem tenant of "conversion by the sword".
     
  10. poncho

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    This thread is nearing ten pages I'll try and answer your concerns if you will post a new thread with all the questions you have about Ron Paul and his policies in one place at one time. Although I find the idea of giving yet another history lesson to deaf ears kind of fruitless I'll do it again just so nobody can say I didn't try. The only thing I ask in return is that you take the time to view all twelve parts of this one movie. Deal?
     
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    Carpo, three questions:

    1. Did you catch any fish?
    2. How does Ron Paul's foreign policy differ from Jimmy Carters. This is your third try answering this one, so please make it worthwhile
    3. Who was the last US President who conducted a constitutionally based foreign policy.

    And considering this comment you made:
    Please, just drop the attitude. You make your candidate look less attractive.
     
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    Just who is it that you support? Really, it makes no difference, because no doubt we can count on PA to cast their electoral votes for the Democrat.
     
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    Please explain why the Dollar price index has fallen to well below 80,as well as why gold was 599 an oz,when I purchased it about three months ago is now over 880 an oz and topped 900 just today?
    Do you realize that the value of gold did not go up?that the value of the dollar dropped? This is called INFLATION and if gold is an indicator (and it is ) this is a 30% inflation..
     
  14. poncho

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    I'm not Carpro. So we don't have a "deal" then I take it?
     
  15. JasmineSkye

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    Why not just start a thread like Poncho asked..post all your concerns, this isn't a one page answer and we are on 10 pages. See you on the new thread! Have you watched that movie yet? I have.
     
  16. JamieinNH

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    In my opinion, he doesn't want answers, only to stri the pot. I haven't heard what he thinks of David Walker's take on things.... He is respected, nothing to gain or lose, just telling the truth.

    Jamie
     
  17. poncho

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    Well, here's the short answer to the difference between Carter's foreign policy and Ron Paul's. I 'll start with Ron Paul's.

    Click Here and Here

    And Jimmy Carter's foreign policy can be found by clicking here.

    I know it's alot of reading but hey "no pain no gain".

    No doubt this will not be accepted as an answer but it's the same one you'll get every time you ask a question you should already know the answer too citizen. :smilewinkgrin:
     
  18. swaimj

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    Sorry I confused your name, Poncho. Still, I don't see why you just don't respond to the questions.
     
  19. JamieinNH

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    And why is it that you won't respond to questions posed to you?

    Jamie
     
  20. swaimj

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    More stalling and stonewalling, eh, Poncho?

    This is a discussion board. I am not here to do research. I am here to discuss. If you want to answer the questions and discuss the matter I'll be glad to read your response. Otherwise, I'll decide who and what I like to read.
     
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