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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Rufus_1611, May 31, 2007.
First, gambling is bad.
Second, the gamblers think Ron Paul's chances are quite improved...
You know, I know, everyone knows the man never had a chance. The republican party is going to nominate one of the three losers at the top of the running, McCain, Giuliani, or Romney. They are picked by the power structure, and that is the way it is. It does not take a genius to figure out that one of these three against the pathetic democrats running is a loser for America, which is why I am voting third party.
The folks that make a living determining the chances of a team, a horse or a candidate winning a contest think he has a 15:1 chance. Considering that it was 200:1 two weeks ago, (and presuming we have fair elections) he has a chance, a 15:1 chance according to professionals who evaluate such things.
The spammers have succeeded in what Paul couldn't do in the debate....make himself look good.
The cat's outta the box on the Ron Paul supporters spamming polls, and as a result, his name has been taken off a lot of right wing websites. You should see some of the things R.P. supporters have said. And the website prison planet dot com is probably the most damaging. Pretty hateful stuff, there.
It's really too bad. Clearly, Paul's supporters have not helped him.
It is too bad because there is no credible candidate in the three top spots for either party, too bad for our country.
What is your criteria for determining who is in the three "top spots"?
Only the polls I see on the internet. Democrats Clinton, Obama, Edwards, and Republican McCain, Giuliani, and Romney. If the Republican would actually nominate a Paul type candidate, I would vote Republican. I am not voting for another status quo candidate that panders votes from Christians then does nothing towards governing this nation correctly.
First, I believe a cat is let out of a bag.
Second, I'm a Ron Paul supporter who has voted in many polls could you point me to the organized Paulites that spam polls as I would desire to become a part of this organization? Why is it when Ron Paul supporters vote they are considered spammers rather than voters? Where are the Rudy McRomney supporters?
Those right wing websites...could you list a few of them as the only ones I've noticed Paul being taken off of are the neo-con sites, which I'm sure you don't give credence too as we've established you are not a neo-con right?
Clearly Ron Paul supporters have caused the odds makers to change his odds from 200:1 to 15:1...that seems like help to me.
Oh, that word again. No thanx, Rufus. Sounds like your mind is made up. When that word comes out, the conversation is over.
And I think you know that by spamming, I mean multiple votes from the same IP address.
I lost the train of thought. What word are you talking about?
I worked close with the Republican Party while living in Tennessee. Everyone keeps bringing up the "Big Three." Many of you will be suprised when Fred Thomposon comes out in full swing. At this time I am pulled. I am supporting R. Paul because I agree with him on convicted issues. He almost has me convinced about this war too.
If he doen't recieve the nominee, which he will not if Christians don't take a true stand, we will be doomed with any of the "big three."
Our only other chance at reviving conviction into the White House is for Fred Thompson to win the nomination.
I like the way the Pastor from Texas put it. We pray that Ron Paul or a man with his convictions wins this election.
By the way..... Wouldn't Ron Paul President, Judge Roy S. Moore Vice President make a truly constitutional ticket?
Don't most polls have in place a script that will stop multiple votes from the same ip address. I know you can get around it, but it's a lot of trouble. Signing out and flushing your DNS, or if you surf anonymously then most polls won't accept your vote.
Of course, it's known that I am a supporter of Ron Paul, and think it's unfair to "level" the playing field by taking him out of a poll. As a person running for the office of POTUS, everyone should have the same treatment. If the polls were in fact spammed, then the websites should put things in place to stop it and then see if the results changed.
My guess, they would not.
I am afraid you are correct. There is no free elections anymore. Our country is ni a downhill spin and won't stop I am afraid.
Lots of people don't have the financial recources to keep the dishonest people out, and it doesn't happen with other candidates. So the one getting all the flags gets dropped.
It doesn't take lots of money to write a script that will log IP addresses. The whole idea that Ron Paul is supported by a small group of 1337 h4x0rZ that know how to spam the polls is rediculous. The support that was shown in those polls is genuine and there are many more people that would support him if they heard what he said.
Actually, it would take no money. There are a ton of solid, well written scripts that I have used on my own websites to stop exactly what they are claiming.
This country isn't based on freedom and fairness anymore. It's bought and paid for by cold hard cash...
Ron Paul's support is real. Now, is it enough to get him elected? No, but not because the polls are skewed, but because there aren't enough people that want change. They are ok with Status Quo. Until people get fed up enough for real change, it won't happen.
When Hillary (or the likes) or McCain (or the likes) get elected, I don't want to hear one peep out of anyone. If you really are interested in letting the people be heard, then let everyone have a fair playing field and let the better person win. Plain and Simple.. I know it won't ever happen again in this country, but it's the only honest way to get the best person for the job.
I trust the folks who tell me their polls were spammed.
12. Ron Paul
Texas congressman Last Ranking: 9
Just please stop e-mailing us. Thanks.
Then, in my opinion you're too trusting.
As far as the MSNBC link, that just shows he has alot of supporters emailing them. Where did that imply their polling numbers were being skewed?
God is going to place in office whomever He wants in office regardless of who votes which way. I normally don't post in the politic type threads as I think a Christian shouldn't be involved in politics anyway, but wanted to chime in on Ron Paul.
Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance not because he isn't the right man or anything like that. I don't know. I don't know him and I don't care to know him as far as politics goes. Again that is up to God despite what I think anyway.
He doesn't stand a chance because the powers that be don't want him to stand a chance. Just listen to the way he is treated by Sean Hannity. I did watch the interviews after the last debate and you can tell he doesn't get the same fair shake as the "top" three. Nor did anyone else really other than the "top" three.
Nobody really wants a change from the big two - Demopublicans and the Republicrats - oh wait I mean the Democrats and the Republicans. This is a two-party system and I personally don't see that changing anytime soon.
Just to make this probably useless thread a little bit longer I was watching a special on Star Wars the other night and about its impact on culture and some of the themes behind the movie and some of what they had to say about the last couple of movies and the governmental system that we are seeing today was spot on.
If you haven't seen the last two movies take a look at them and compare the "politics" in the movie to what you are experiencing today.
Sorry for my rambling. It's late
Where do you get that from? I've heard a lot of people (mostly Hannity and his ilk) claiming this spamming thing, but I haven't seen anything to support it.
I voted for Ron Paul on multiple sites...not multiple votes, but sites. Should my vote not count since it's for Ron Paul?
After the Fox News debate, I sent a text message on my phone, to the Fox poll in support of Dr. Paul, for the first time ever. I didn't even know I could do that from my phone, but I learned how and did. Am I a spammer?
Perhaps there is more widespread support for Dr. Paul than many would like to acknowledge.
The left, for the most part, wants a candidate who will get us out of Iraq. The right, for the most part, wants a candidate who will drastically diminish the size of the federal government. Dr. Paul supports both positions and is therefore drawing all sorts of supporters. How weird is it to have a candidate that so many of us on the BB, conservative and liberal, are falling over each other trying to rally behind?
Dr. Paul, and his message, has stirred something up within people that is spreading like wildfire to others who realize that he is just who we've all been wishing would become President; a man with genuine character and principles who believes in the Constitution and truly will uphold it.
I certainly hope Dr. Paul continues to draw in new people, no matter the stripe, and brings in enough money to compete with the money machines trying to install yet another of their cookie cutter candidates.
That wasn't a poll Bro, that was a ranking according to an "analyst" at National Journal. I don't know enough about National Journal to understand their bias and they won't let me see their staff list without signing up for their publication which I don't really want to do. However, I would sure desire to know who authored this "analysis" to see how many degrees of separation he is from the n-word.
I can say though, that when MSNBC tried to do some original work, they had a very cool rank the candidates poll. This poll had real people voting on the candidates before the first debate and after the first debate and MSNBC with all their wealth, was able to set-up the poll to where there was only one vote per ip and no spamming allegations.I highlighted some of the details of the results of this poll in this thread. I believe it clearly demonstrates that not only did Paul win the debate with the best approval change but he led all the candidates with the best overall approval rating. Similar results occurred with the Faux War Channels' phone in poll. When the people are asked to rank the candidates Paul does well, when the paid performers are asked, he finishes 12 of 12 or is excluded altogether.