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Ron Paul praises convicted tax evaders

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." -Thomas Jefferson
     
  2. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Let's look at this rationally. Is there any reason at all for the employees of Leviathan to use deadly force over a tax case? The Browns have stated that they will only fire if fired upon. Therefore, the only way that violence can happen in this situation is if the government initiates it - over a tax case.
     
  3. KeithS

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    So...if federal agents show up unarmed to escort the lawbreakers to jail they will not resist arrest and no violence will be done yet justice will be served. Sounds like a happy ending for everyone.
     
  4. KenH

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    Maybe that is what the agents of the government should do. But I wouldn't count on it.
     
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    I have been among the first to criticize the jack-booted thugs at Waco, Elian Gonzalez' family's house in Miami, etc. However, if I as a policeman know that there are armed folks inside a house where I am to make an arrest, and they have threatened physical force, am I supposed to go unarmed, thinking the people will not harm me and my men? I've seen it happen - and I've seen the body bags.

    No way the government should go after tax offenders with guns blazing. But any criminal who wants to ramp up their crime with weapons needs to be prepared to meet equal or greater force. We're a country of laws. We have to act like it.
     
  6. Rufus_1611

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    I appreciate your condemnation of the activities in Waco, Elian etc., and I appreciate your respect for the rule of law. However, some things to consider...

    The only people that ever did jail time related to Waco were Branch Dividians. The individuals that shot and gased those women and children were never brought to justice.

    One of the individuals that didn't go to jail but should've, was a man named Lon Horiuchi. If we back up a couple years prior, it was Mr. Horiuchi that got the kill shot of Mrs. Weaver while she was holding her baby in her arms. Lon Horiuchi never spent a day in jail for his crimes at Ruby Ridge or Waco.

    The man who shot Sammy Weaver's dog, never did jail time for his action. That same man, who put bullets up the spine of and killing the 14-year old Sammy, while he was running away, also did not do jail time.

    There has been no action taken to change this lawless culture. Now there is a new set of folks the government is after. This new set has never committed a crime against persons or property and they believe that they have the written law on their side, even if the color of law is not. They've retreated to their property which they own and have desired to be left alone. The government can't allow that, not because Ed and Elaine Brown really matter to them but because of the people who are watching. If the people ever wake up to realize that a major battle to a long war was lost in 1913, then the bad guys would lose the grip they have on our once free country.

    Now Henry Ford had some problems but he understood a very basic issue that some of America is waking up to...

    “It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” - Henry Ford​

    I believe Ed and Elaine Brown now understand our banking and monetary system and in that understanding they have taken it upon themselves to take a stand on this matter.

    Now we can add to Waco and Ruby Ridge as we have another form of lawlessness by folks with badges. In light of what I believe history demonstrates regarding these type of events, I believe this man's testimony in the following video.

    Ed Brown Siege Sniper Shoots Without Announcing At DogWalker - Video

    I believe an unarmed man, who was not guilty of a crime (unless walking Ed Brown's dog is a criminal act) was shot at on the Brown property by someone who did not announce themselves as law enforcement. I believe that once he was in custody, they took it upon themselves to electrocute him.

    Now why do I believe Riley and not the U.S. Marshalls? This is what they said in April...
    If they are not intending to create an armed confrontation and intend to resolve this peacefully, then perhaps they can refrain from placing their camo'd officers out in the bushes of private property and stop shooting at the friends of the owners of that property.

    One more aspect to consider to this issue Ed Brown doesn't actually exist anymore as he changed his name to “Edward, a Living Soul in the Body of the Lord, of the House of Israel." I don't fully understand his religious convictions, but he does profess to be a Christian. I don't have the same assurance in the people that are coming after him.

    "And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;" - John 2:15
     
  7. KenH

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    Then they should just let the Browns be and not storm their home. They aren't harming anybody. They are basically living under house arrest as it is.

    So many people in this country think that taking a stand shouldn't cost them anything. The Browns understand that it does.

    Is there no one in the government of New Hampshire that has any negotiation skills?
     
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    They don't negotiate with terrorists, which is what you will be if you try to stand up against big brother.
     
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    And is what you are if you stand up to the government armed to the teeth.
     
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    I don't know about armed to the teeth, but I do believe a person has a right to bear arms and a right to defend their home. It will probably end up the same way Waco or Ruby Ridge ended. But none of these people fit the definition of terrorist.
     
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    Maybe but these folks are defending illegal activity with weapons. And if you really believed as they do you would be in their shoes I suppose.
     
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    Rufus, you're right about Ruby Ridge being another one of those where the Feds probably ramped things up too much, though I forget all the details.
     
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    If you have high speed and about 50 minutes...

    Ruby Ridge Documentary
     
  14. TomVols

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    Yes (T1) to the first; no to the second :)
     
  15. KenH

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    To some Americans today if one simply disagrees and refuses to support certain policies of Leviathan that in itself makes one a terrorist in their eyes.
     
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