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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Arbo, Feb 5, 2011.
Born February 6, 1911
Great words from a great President! :thumbs:
My only major issue with President Reagan?
Well, two related problems.
He's only responsible for his own actions. He was a great man. As far as the Bushes go, well let's hope we are done with them.
I was angry with him in 1980 when he chose Bush I as his running mate. I knew then we would regret it.
I was upset with Reagan's choice of Richard Schweiker as his running mate during the 1976 GOP convention. What was he thinking? As it turned out RR didn't win the GOP nomination in 1976.
Thankfully, after four years of Jimmy Carter, Americans wised up.
I kind of enjoyed this article about Reagan and the press. It is surprising that nice words are now said about the Gipper from the MSM.
The Media Never Loved Ronald Reagan
Wow, we agree on something politically. I think Reagan was an excellent President. The only wrong thing he did was picking Bush the First as his running mate. Had he picked someone else, he would have spared this nation twelve years of liberal Republican leadership. Had Bush the First not been picked, Bush the Second would have never been elected. The history channel had an excellent show about Reagan, very well done.
In my life, I rate Reagan as the best President, and have a good impression of Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford to a degree. The bottom of the rung was Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and both Bushes. Kennedy was kind of a mix. He believed in tax cuts and a strong military. I saw a show in 2008, and to illustrate how far to the left the parties have drifted, if Kennedy had been debating McCain in the 2008 election, Kennedy would have been the more conservative candidate.
Amen to that. It is amazing that two people could do so much harm to this nation in twelve short years.
(ie - the Bushes)
So are you saying that Dukakis ('88), Gore ('00) and Kerry ("08) would have been better Presidents?
I rank neither of the bushes terribly high...but I'm sure SN ranks them lower...
However, I don't think the above two quotes are mutually exclusive. There's no doubt in my mind that if forced either-or...the Bush's are "less bad." It's just that they were better than the alternatives.
(not trying to derail into a 3rd party discussion...)
I had high hopes for Bush II, but over the years, I did become very disappointed, but as you said, they were (much) better than the alternatives.
As my Dad would say, I believe Douglas MacArthur would make a excellent President
God Bless you Mr. President RIP :applause:
Better, I doubt it. In those years either would have done harm. Its like choosing between an F and an F+. There was a time around the Nixon and Reagan years when one expected more out of Republicans before they became clones of Democrats. Since you are going with the what if of the worst choice years (you left out 2008), what if Goldwater had won in 1964, or Ford in 1976, or Dole in 1996. There is a positive spin to the what ifs also.
Salty, I do not know if you saw the History Channel program on President Reagan, but they showed a speech he made while President of the Screen Actor's Guild. He was clicking off liberal point after liberal point. It was almost amusing and quite interesting seeing the transformation. It was an honest transformation.
An unrelated tidbit on Presidents, I did get to shake President Nixon's hand in 1973.
Now SN, as bad as you feel Bush 41 & 43 was...certainly over the last few years you see how monumentally disastrous a Gore presidency would have been for our country. I don't think I can say Bush 43 was an "F+" to Gore's "F." You gotta at least put Al into negative numbers.
Like I said...most of our differences were in matters of degrees. But there WAS a huge difference in how much more awful Gore was than Bush.
As you said, we disagree on matters of degree. Maybe I should quit living in the past. I expect Democrats to raise taxes, spend us into oblivion, support abortion and gay rights, and take up the cause of every nut case in America. I never in my wildest dreams ever expected a Republican President or nominee to embrace the same thing. You are correct. I am harsher on the Republicans for doing the same thing because I expected more. It is probably more realistic to say F and D+.