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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by SolaSaint, Jun 10, 2014.
Any word on our new president of the SBC? Should we be concerned?
What kind of word? Worried about what?
I have heard others in here that have concern about him and his church, on his approach to church growth I believe. I even thought you had concerns if I remember correctly?
My concern is he is a divider. He accused anyone who did not support the GCR of not being concerned with the Great Commission.
Meh, the President of the SBC has about as much authority to do anything as a dog catcher in an all cat town.
Dr Floyd is not a pastor I would sit under, and his comments maligning those who disagree are troubling, but I'm sure he'll continue to do the adequate job of rearranging the deck chairs on the SBC Titanic that his predecessors have done.
I just wish we could a President of the convention that represented the majority, the vast majority, of churches in the convention...i.e. not mega-churches.
Well there you go, you answered your own question.
If they have no authority, what would you suggest they do? What should the SBC President be doing that's representative of the majority?
Say, I am just curious...is Ronnie Floyd reformed? When looking at his church's statement of beliefs, I couldn't find a mention of the millenium....
From the church's website: "The Kingdom of God includes both His general sovereignty over the universe and His particular kingship over men who willfully acknowledge Him as King. Particularly the Kingdom is the realm of salvation into which men enter by trustful, childlike commitment to Jesus Christ. Christians ought to pray and to labor that the Kingdom may come and God's will be done on earth. The full consummation of the Kingdom awaits the return of Jesus Christ and the end of this age. Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 9:6-7; Jeremiah 23:5-6; Matthew 3:2; 4:8-10,23; 12:25-28; 13:1-52; 25:31-46; 26:29; Mark 1:14-15; 9:1; Luke 4:43; 8:1; 9:2; 12:31-32; 17:20-21; 23:42; John 3:3; 18:36; Acts 1:6-7; 17:22-31; Romans 5:17; 8:19; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Colossians 1:13; Hebrews 11:10,16; 12:28; 1 Peter 2:4-10; 4:13; Revelation 1:6,9; 5:10; 11:15; 21-22.
X. Last Things
God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. According to His promise, Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly in glory to the earth; the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment. The righteous in their resurrected and glorified bodies will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord. Isaiah 2:4; 11:9; Matthew 16:27; 18:8-9; 19:28; 24:27,30,36,44; 25:31-46; 26:64; Mark 8:38; 9:43-48; Luke 12:40,48; 16:19-26; 17:22-37; 21:27-28; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:11; 17:31; Romans 14:10; 1 Corinthians 4:5; 15:24-28,35-58; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Philippians 3:20-21; Colossians 1:5; 3:4; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18; 5:1ff.; 2 Thessalonians 1:7ff.; 2; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1,8; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 9:27-28; James 5:8; 2 Peter 3:7ff.; 1 John 2:28; 3:2; Jude 14; Revelation 1:18; 3:11; 20:1-22:13."
I have been noticing more reformed teaching coming into traditionally dispensational churches....when the millenium is not specifically mentioned, I tend to wonder....I could be wrong, maybe statements of belief like the one above thinks it is enough to imply a millenium...
That's the BFM 2000, the statement of faith for the whole convention.
Also, you seem to be confusing categories. Reformed theology (soteriologically) has nothing to do with eschatology. Granted most reformed people are probably amill, but there are reformed people who believe every single end times system. Also reformed theology(again, soteriologically) and dispensationalism are not mutually exclusive. John MacArthur for example.
As to whether or not Ronnie Floyd is reformed. I have no idea.
What is the definition of reformed theology, then? Perhaps this isn't the thread for it, so maybe I'll ask that in a separate thread...thank you for your answer, RLBosley!
1. Traditional reformed theology, as held by presbyterians, did generally include covenant theology which led to infant baptism and amil & postmil positions on Eschatology. It also included teaching of God's sovereignty in salvation, that God Elected who to save before the foundation of the world.
2. There are also those who are "reformed" on the Election/predestination issue, who hold to dispensational/premillenial views on eschatology. The word reformed is now commonly used to refer to them, as in "reformed Baptist."
3. The BF&M does not include the Millennium because it intentionally wants to allow for a variety of Eschatology views within the SBC.
Hope his helps!
You are very welcome. I posted in your new thread BTW.
^What he said.
No he is not.
Thank you, RevMitchel..I was pretty sure Southern Baptists were dispensational. I was thrown off because I couldn't find the millenium mentioned specifically.
Oh, I see
Oh, I see...that is why the millenium isn't mentioned....thank you!
There has always been a mix of General and Particular Baptists in the convention since its beginnings. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise. Over the years dispensationalism has over the years grown to be the predominant view.
Dispensationalism is a belief mostly of the pew in SBC life. I have some older SBC books lamenting this rising "new" teaching of dispensations and rapture. It never was a majority held belief among the preachers in SBC life. Among the preachers that did hold to dispensationalism, it has/is losing acceptance, which is generally what is happening within the evangelical world.
I regard to Ronnie Floyd, he was my pastor before he went to Arkansas and I can't recall a single sermon or teaching session where he touched on any specifics of eschatology.
I have no idea if he is a dispensationalist or not. I suspect he does not hold to dispensational views because it never seemed to come into play in his preaching regarding the Old and New Testaments.
Ronnie is more of a preacher than a teacher. He proclaims the gospel as he understands it but does not often present doctrine in a systematic way. That's not a criticism, just an observation.
Why do you think this is, gotochurch, that dispensationalism is losing acceptance? We have noticed the same thing in the Baptist churches we have been involved with.
Uh you might want to avoid GTC on what is predominant in the SBC. He is right there has been a slight change in this regard. The reason for it is that there have been lately young cagey calvinists pastors more so than in the past. The heretical presterism has made some what of a gain and liberalism seems to be gaining some.
With all that said dispensationalism is the predominant view among both those in the pew and those in the pulpit.