Ruckman and KJV

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  1. gb93433

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    Taken from the website http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5951/KJVOnly.html is "Ruckman defends the KJV reading, saying, '"Mistakes in the KJV are advanced revelation"' (p. 126). In other words, the Greek has errors,
    but the KJV doesn't."

    Sounds exactly like Mormonism. Anyone know the support Ruckman uses for his position?
     
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    Mostly he starts yelling insults at anyone that disagrees with him.
     
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    Intimidation.....
     
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    Mostly rage, invective, and sarcasm.

    Actual Biblical support for Ruckman's position?: forget it. There is none.
     
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    Mostly rage, invective, and sarcasm.

    Actual Biblical support for Ruckman's position?: forget it. There is none.
    </font>[/QUOTE]There are thousands of believers who will disagree with you on this.
     
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    If thousands of believers think there is biblical support for Ruckman's position, then why doesn't just one of them post some of that biblical support here?
     
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    Mostly rage, invective, and sarcasm.

    Actual Biblical support for Ruckman's position?: forget it. There is none.
    </font>[/QUOTE]There are thousands of believers who will disagree with you on this.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Sure, just as there are thousands of believers who believe all sorts of aberrant theology- but yet nonetheless count as believers.

    Fortunately there is a much larger majority of believers who reject (or would reject if they ever crossed paths with) Ruckmanism.
     
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    I cannot totally agree with all of Ruckmans teachings, but take the good spit out the bad. I've read some of his books and heard him preach, and if you ask me his sarcasm and insults often hit right home.

    I said this once before, And I'll say it again my family has been called Ruckmanite, before we knew who Ruckman was. We have been to a Bible Baptitst Blowout at Ruckmans church, he asked everyone to stand that was called a Ruckmanite, before they knew who he was, WAY over half of the 500+ people that where there stood up.


    That's because thier a bunch of &lt;attack deleted&gt; Forgive me if I'm starting to sound like Ruckman. :rolleyes:

    [ October 06, 2004, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
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    That's because their a bunch of &lt;attack deleted&gt; Forgive me if I'm starting to sound like Ruckman. :rolleyes:
    </font>[/QUOTE]You haven't learned that when someone here supports Ruckman or his belief in KJVO they are very susceptible to having their post edited, more so that those who support MVs. The irony of this is that this is often done by moderators who "claim" they love and use the KJV. Go figure.
     
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    People who post attacks, lies or filth will have their posts snipped and posting privilege suspended. We do NOT suspend people for being stupid.
     
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    OK Terry, I'll go figure and here's what I figure: He has published words to the affect that the NT canon was not closed until 1611.

    Why?

    He has publicky stated in his writings that there are indeed errors in the 1611KJV but that these errors are "advanced revelation" inserted by the Holy Spirit unbeknowns to the KJV translators who made these "errors" that the Holy Spirit was guiding and inspiring them to do so. He alone having discovered over 200 of these advanced revelations (at last count) in fact he wrote a book about them.

    This is the Latin Vulgate error DeJaVu all over again.

    So, yes I love and cherish the KJV and yes I love Brother Ruckman as my brother but I wholeheartedly disagree with his "advanced revelation" and "re-inspiration" theories.


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    Mostly rage, invective, and sarcasm.

    Actual Biblical support for Ruckman's position?: forget it. There is none.
    </font>[/QUOTE]There are thousands of believers who will disagree with you on this.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I guess that makes thousands who are stupid too. Rememeber how many thousands of religious folks (who make great claims) who are hoing to hell too in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. "Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'
     
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    Nobody gave me an answer to, "Anyone know the support Ruckman uses for his position?"

    He doesn't have any documentation. The more I read the more I get the spirit of the anti-Christ from him. How did Jesus say one would know they are His disciple? Does Ruckman exhibit this for someone who has supposedly walked with God for a long time?
     
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    Name calling, slander, myths, aliens in UFO's, 10 foot tall supernatural beings with black lips, etc...are all tools used by Ruckman to support his theories.

    Even when I was a hard core KJVO I could not stomach the false prophet Ruckman.

    Would any Ruckman supporter explain the Black lipped antichrist to me?

    http://www.kjvonly.org/bob/ross_black_lip.htm

    This alone proves Ruckman to be a nutcase and a heretic. He is adding to the bible.

    Also:

    http://www.kjvonly.org/bob/ross_ruck_gov.htm

    http://www.kjvonly.org/bob/ross_ruck_reprieve.htm

    http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_ruckman_on_luther.htm
     
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    Did you read the end of one of the pages, " You can get a tract from Ruckman on how to be saved by the "plan of salvation" thru "keeping the law" in the Tribulation. It is called "Millions Disappear" and sells for 25 cents."?
     
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    I've seen that type of reasoning before. Most KJVOist use it to defend the works based salvation found in Rev 22:14 in the KJV vs. grace that is found in most modern translations of Rev 22:14.

    Rev. 22:14,"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." KJV

    Rev. 22:14,"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city." NASB

    Basically Ruckman would rather make a doctrine then to admit that the NASB renders this verse better to support grace.
     
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    Ruckman is like other people, some of what he says is good and some of what he says is not so good.
     
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    I think tha not-so-good is symbolically called "leaven", Terry.
     
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    Terry_Herrington said:

    Ruckman is like other people, some of what he says is good and some of what he says is not so good.

    "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump" (1 Cor. 5:6)
     
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    What has he said that was worth hearing, that edified the believers?
     

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