Rumsfeld - This is really disgusting!

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The prospect of Kerry being elected really put a scare into Ken...remember back when he actually believed in the U.S. Constitution and Bill Of Rights more than G.W. Bush? Justs feels better to be on the winning side I guess, no matter how much life and liberty is lost to the Neo-Con fantasy.

It's still about right vs wrong for some of us Ken, not right vs left. The government and the corporate media will label anyone Al Qaeda and claim they are everywhere to scare you guys into compliance. Your proof postive that the plan is still working for them.

 

Poncho,

1. You are making off topic personal attacks against Ken.

2. Did you read all the links that I have posted on this page. Take a look at them and decide for yourself if Rumsfeld is this horrible evil guy that the anti-war liberals want to make him out to be. Remember, it is still about right and wrong for you, right?

Joseph Botwinick

 

I apologize for any off topic personal attacks Joseph. Although I remember being attacked a time or two and never got any apologies. I guess there are different rules for folks that believe in the Neo-Con fantasy.

 

Yep. And defeating al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Iraq, and anywhere else they raise their heads is right. It is wrong to wish to see us tuck tail and run from Iraq because al Qaeda is putting up a fight against us there.

You anti-war folks won't get your wish to see us tuck tail and run. John Kerry lost on November 2.

 

Point it out and I will apologize if it truly was an attack on my part, BTW, did you look at the many links that I posted on page 7?

Joseph Botwinick

 

A fact I am most greatful for. But, it wasn't yet his time. The folks that really run things in Washington see to details like that Ken not you or I. And I do apologize to you about any attack it wasn't meant to be one.

 

LE,

Please look at my posts on page 7 and discuss the new revelations about Rumsfeld and his running of the war.

Joseph Botwinick

 

FOX news is non credible to me Joseph just more shilling for Neo-Cons. Global Security is fairly well balanced I believe. It's all fine and dandy that the Bush administration and Mr. Rumsfeld decided to do something for our troops. They are still fighting in an "elective" war of oppotunity and not one of necessity.

My support for our troops doesn't include making them go to war on false pretenses in wars meant to expand the empire and make it safe for global coporations to do business.

 

1. Is the Air Force Print News Today a credible source for you? How about American Forces Information Services? Or, do you only get your information from websites like http://www.infowars.com/articles/military/psy-ops_meets_pr.htm which sells videos claiming that the Bush Administration attacked America on 9-11 and quotes FoxNews articles whom you say you don't trust as reliable?

2. This war is necessary whether you want to believe it or not.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Have you ever watched any of these videos? I have posted links where you can download them for free. It might make a fine discussion sometime after you viewed a few. (just for fun)

 

No thanks. Waste of time for Conspricacy kook theories.

Interesting, though how you keep avoiding comment on what I have pointed out to you already. I would like to see your comments on what I posted on page 7. Also, why do you dismiss FNC as not being credible, but embrace the message of this conspiracy website as credible when they link to FNC articles all over the place? Do you not see the contradiction in that? I certainly do.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Alex really bashes Bill Clinton in them BTW. I think you'd enjoy them Joseph.

 

Not interested. Why do you accept them as credible when they repeatedly link to FNC as part of their source information, which you say is not credible? Do you see the contradiction in that or not.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Alex as I have pointed out in the past archives articles from all kinds of mainstream media as well as the little "mom and pop" newspapers and newsletters. They do print some interesting things. Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch that just happens to own about 70% of the worlds media in one form or another. He plays one side against the other using his vast corporate media empire to advance his own ends.

I'm still reading some of your links I'll give you my answer Joseph I ain't that fast of a reader or typer. Please forgive my slow nature.

 

So, are you saying that 70% of the world's media is not credible? Which ones are? The ones who report nutty conspiracy theories?

Take your time.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I'm saying that at least 70% of the world's media is just that the "world's" media. One can however find some very good news in most any of them if your willing to sart looking on page eight or so. Headlines grab all the attention. And two or three weeks seems about average for people to really remember anything they read because of the steady and huge rate at which we are "informed".

I know you don't believe there is such a thing as an "illuminati" even though their "signature" is on the back of every dollar bill in your collection.

Rupert owns leftist as well as rightist news papers so he plays both sides and he is very good at it. Alex and his site along with others is a good place to find articles that show trends in the way the "world" is run by being able to actually see and track the trends and where they have lead us from point to point in time.

Don't you find it interesting that CBS's logo is a stylized "all seeing eye" as well as Turners "eye of ra" or "all seeing eye" the same as on your dollar bill? Look at the pyramid with the "illuminatated" "all seeing eye" floating on top...is that a conspiracy theory am I seeing things or is that a signature? Is it just a mistake that it's there or is it a statement? What does "NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM" new world order?
Look at some of the other corporate sybols here's just a few. Corporate Symbology I especially like the "Information Awareness" logo dreamed up by Poindexter? A convicted felon that was in charge of it at the Pentagon.

It's the "World's" media Joseph, what better outlet for Satan to decieve us than he himself being the editor of the information we are bombarded with everyday?

You do believe in Satan don't you?

In the world not of it.

 

Let's see if I have this right here:

1. Credible news agencies such as FNC, CNN, etc... are the world's (Satan's) media. But, the conspiracy kooks are, I am guessing, God's media? Is that the story you are wanting me to buy?

2. BTW, you are right about one thing. I don't buy all the looney conspiracy theories.

Joseph Botwinick

 

BTW,

Yes I believe in Satan as the Bible speaks about him. Why would you ask such a goofy question?

Joseph Botwinick