Run, Ben, run! (.org)

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  1. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    http://www.christianpost.com/news/r...surgeon-benjamin-carson-for-president-103107/

    A super PAC charging that no 2016 Republican presidential ticket can win without him on it, recently registered with the Federal Election Commission to encourage retired rock star pediatric neurosurgeon, Benjamin Carson, to run for president.

    Billed the "National Draft Ben Carson for President Committee," John Philip Sousa IV, the great-grandson of the "Stars and Stripes Forever" composer, is listed as its national chairman. The PAC is also collecting signatures on its website, RunBenRun.org, seeking to convince Carson to throw his hat into the presidential fray for 2016.

    Branding Carson as "the man we need to heal our country," the website announces on its homepage that: "If you are committed to winning the White House in 2016, and you won't settle for anything less than a Tea Party conservative, then I urge you to sign the Petition to Dr. Benjamin Carson today."

    Endorsed by a composer's great-grandson. Does it get any better than that? And if you're interested ...

    http://www.runbenrun.org/

    Don't get me wrong. As I've said many, many times on here, this is the man we need to nominate to run against Great Pretender #2 (AKA Hillary Clinton).
     
  2. just-want-peace

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    Excellent choice, but never as "R" - the leadership would never, NEVER, allow anyone this conservative to be the nominee; based on the last two big ones!
    Pity, but true.
     
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    Reminds me of all the "Run Fred Thompson" stuff. That one kinda fizzled out.
    Or Herman Cain. Or take your pick.

    One of these days the GOP is gonna figure out that they are outnumbered with the numbers against them steadily increasing. Gimmicks or even good candidates won't help the party overcome those numbers.

    When you've got angry white people ( because that's what the GOP is perceived as these days) leading the charge, and the party( like the Church)has become better known for what it is against rather than being about all people, then the party doesn't stand a chance with any candidate in a national election.

    Because of an unloving attitude, like a lot of folks in the church, folks are moving away from possible candidates like Carson and the GOP to something else.

    Nominating a black candidate won't do it.
    Nominating a female candidate won't do it.
    Nominating a Hispanic candidate won't do it.
     
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    Dream on, Zaac.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

    PRINCETON, NJ -- Political ideology in the U.S. held steady in 2011, with 40% of Americans continuing to describe their views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This marks the third straight year that conservatives have outnumbered moderates, after more than a decade in which moderates mainly tied or outnumbered conservatives.

    And look! There's even a chart ...

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    ... proving that, over the last 21 years, liberals have never been anywhere close to a majority in the U.S.
     
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    I'm well aware of numbers like that. I'm talking about the numbers for how people actually vote though. Based on the numbers you presented, the GOP should win in a landslide every election cycle.

    It's right up there with folks being polled and saying they are all for gay rights and allowing gay folks to get married UNTIL it's time to vote, and then overwhemingly , the folks voting say NO.

    So yes poll numbers are gonna say there are more conservatives because most folks are pretty conservative.

    But the idea of what conservative means to the average person does not mesh with what it means to the GOP. That's why during elections the numbers never look like the 40, 35, 21 your chart is showing.

    And while the GOP is running around yelling we're against abortion and gay marriage, that 40 who they think all line up behind them are realizing that their conservative is not the GOP conservative.
     
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    The last half-decent GOP candidate/POTUS was Ronald Reagan---and I still have issues with some of the things Ronnie did (or didn't do).

    After Reagan the GOP gave us Bush I, Bob Dole, Bush II, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. I can't think of a more slippery slope of candidates/POTUS's than these.

    As the old 1960's protest song ["Where Have All the Flowers Gone?"] went:

    "When will they ever learn? / When will they ever learn?"
     
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    That's another issue. When the GOP puts up candidates who the base doesn't or can't support, they can forget winning a Presidential Election. The base no longer trusts the leadership because of who they have pushed to the nomination the last couple of election cycles.

    As much as the GOP doesn't like Hillary, they really don't have anyone with a better resume than she has. The only person who comes close off the top of my head are Dick Cheney and Condoleeza Rice. Dick ain't running and Condoleeza is pro-choice so she ain't getting the nomination.

    There simply is no GOP candidate with enough OOMPH! to overcome the negative perception of the party to keep "conservatives" from voting for the DEM candidate.
     
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    None of which, KTN or Zaac either one, means anything when it comes to evaluating an individual candidate for the office. Compared to the Great Pretender, Carson has appeal across the board, as opposed to the "niche" liberal that thinks anything Democrat smells like roses.
     
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    And this right here again. Why do yall keep lying to yourselves about these folks only to be made angrier when they don't win.

    The Great Pretender, as you put it, obviously appealed to folks across the board because he wiped the floor with that shill of a candidate the GOP put forth.

    You guys don't have to like the "liberal" candidate. Can't really see why anyone would. But the GOP isn't putting forth anyone better. And like it or not, no matter what Gallup is showing, when people vote for President, they are overwhelmingly voting liberal and against what the GOP has come to call conservative.

    The GOP is much like the evangelical church. It's gotten a bad reputation of being against stuff rather than being for people. That's difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.
     
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    Yeah, it's not like he stole the election or anything ...

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