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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by HisWitness, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. DrJamesAch

    DrJamesAch New Member

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    Oh my and look how it translates Joshua in Zechariah 3:1, and Jesus in John 3:3 HW really needs a clue.

    "I" was the English version of the Greek letter Iota. The letter J became the equivalent of the Greek Iota and the Hebrew Yod. HW is off his rocker, and knows SQUAT about languages.
     
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  2. Steadfast Fred

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    You are quite mistaken. Elijah was never spelled Elizeus in the 1611. I suggest you go back and research more, because you fail miserably when you make the claim you do.

    You are so bent on being right, that you fail to see that you are wrong.
     
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  3. HisWitness

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    friend why don't you do a search over the internet its there on the very pages of the 1611 I read it right of the bible pages.

    Just because you haven't found it ill find it and post for you :thumbs:
     
  4. Steadfast Fred

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    I have already read it. Elijah is never called Elizeus in the 1611.

    The burden of proof is on you. You present the proof that Elijah was spelled Elizeus. You are the one who made the claim.
     
  5. DrJamesAch

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    First of all, the Hebrew text for Elijah is אליה

    The Hebrew letter pronounced as a "Z" is zayin. Elijah in Hebrew NOR ENGLISH is spelled or has any equivalent of zayin within 1 mile of the name.
     
  6. HisWitness

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    http://www.lydiaofpurple.com/1611_king_james_version.htm


    go there and read it yourself right from the bible pages---I would copy and paste the direct source but it want let me do that---go to this site and there it is
     
  7. Steadfast Fred

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    You are wrong still. Luke 4:27 is not speaking of Elijah. Elijah was already dead to the world (taken up in a whirlwind) when Naaman was cleansed.

    Do your homework, as I said. Go to 2 Kings 5:10 and read that.

    As I said, in your bent to be right, you can't even see that you are wrong.
     
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  8. Gabriel Elijah

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    Luke 4:27 is about Elisha (not Elijah) & the 1611 has Elizeus—which is referring to Elisha--- the Greek has Elisaiou (a form of Elisha)—are you sure you didn’t mix up Elijah & Elisha? Or am I missing something?
     
  9. HisWitness

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    your right I got the 2 mixed up---my bad

    but the same reasoning applies to it also
     
  10. DrJamesAch

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    The Elizabethan ENglish in 1611 used "Z" in words that appeared to begin with the letter "Y". The Hebrew "YOD" is the point where English translates the Greek iota or yod to "J" in English later in English development, but in some places translates the Yod or Iota as a Z because that is what reflected in the tranliteration in early 1600 Elizabethan English.

    The 26 Letter alphabet was eventually dropped to 24, and all of the spellings of Elisha changed with the language AS A WHOLE changing.

    This HW is some character
     
  11. HisWitness

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    now why would they translate names with the Z that meant God is Zeus--that's exactly what the name meant spelled Eli-zeus--God is Zeus ??
     
  12. DrJamesAch

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    Saying that God is Zeus is YOUR TRANSLATION not the Bibles. You are bootstrapping an Old English version of Z and Y to other usages of the Bible that translate Jesus that APPEAR as "Zeus" if you change the sigma "S" to a Z, and then creating your own conjunction. Not only does the Bible not do this but it is a warped way of viewing language period. I can make you name equal 666 if I use the reductions that you use to make a word fit your ideology.
     
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    also check this out--easter was added to the same 1611 KJV version

    http://www.midacts.net/easter/index.html
     
  14. DrJamesAch

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    Dude are you that dense? It sounds like Zues TO YOU because in TODAY"S ENGLISH that is what it sounds like. In 1611, that was not what it stood for. You are arguing from the fallacy of an anachronism and trying to make it current.
     
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    I said the Eli-zeus spelling meant god is zeus
     
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    you are from Israel and don't even understand the Hebrew sounding and meaning of names ?????? how important they were and are ???

    jesus sounds nothing like Joshua
    Yeshua sounds like Joshua and keeps it original Hebrew meaning

    Eli-seus sounds like zeus
    jesus sounds like zeus with the sus
     
  17. Steadfast Fred

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    Helllllooooo?...

    Dr Ach explained that. Elizeus did not mean God is Zeus.

    For one thing, the pronunciations were different than you ascribe to them.

    You could learn a lot from Dr Ach, if only you would drop your cultish notions and pay attention.
     
  18. Steadfast Fred

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    The Greeks called God Theos, not El. The New Testament was not written in Hebrew. Had the wanted to say, as you wrongfully claim, that God is zeus, they would have prefaced Elisha's name with Theos, not El.
     
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    Will does an excellent job proving Easter is the correct word.
     
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