Saint or Sinner. Which one are you?

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  1. The Word

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    Saint

    1 John 1:
    7: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
    9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1 John 2:
    3: And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
    29: If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that every one who does right is born of him.

    1 John 3:
    6: No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him.
    9: No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

    1 John 5:
    2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
    3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments]. And his commandments are not burdensome.
    18: We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

    Galations 5:
    24: And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

    Romans 6:
    20: When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
    21: But then what return did you get from the things of which you are now ashamed? The end of those things is death.
    22: But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life.
    23: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    John 8
    31: Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
    32: and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

    33: They answered him, "We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to any one. How is it that you say, `You will be made free'?"
    34: Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a slave to sin.
    35: The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever.
    36: So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.




    Sinner

    1 John 1:
    6: If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth;

    1 John 2:
    4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

    1 John 3:
    4: Every one who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

    6: No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him.

    8: He who commits sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

    1 John 4:
    6: We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

    1 John 5:
    17: All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

    Matthew 5:
    19: Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven,
    20: For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Matthew 6
    21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
    22: "The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light;
    23: but if your eye is not sound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
    24: "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

    Galations 5:
    19: Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness,
    20: idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit,
    21: envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Matthew 7
    21: "Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
    22: On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
    23: And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'

    John 3
    19: And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    20: For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
    21: But he who does what is true comes to the light, that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been wrought in God.
     
  2. David Lamb

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    I am both. Christians (saints) are told to confess their sins - indeed, John wrote to Christians, in 1 John 1.8:

    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

     
  3. The Word

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    You better reread all these scriptures again. You will see that you can't be both.
     
  4. matt wade

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    You are a heretic.
     
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    In Christ, I am a saint.

    Praise God, as a saint, I am forgiven when I sin.
     
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    Why? Because I use scriptures to show that you can't be born of God and keep sinning?
     
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    You need to reread these scriptures because once your born of God, you will never sin again.
     
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    You are saying that when John wrote I Jn. 1:8-10 he was a lost man? That is the necessary conclusion you are forced to beleive becuase he used the present tense and included himself as well as those he was writing to "WE" and said that Christians ("WE") are deceived if "WE" deny that "WE" have no sin (present tense).
     
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    This letter was written to another saint who must have had several followers who were listening to the gospel. It can take several years to take a sinning child of God and make him a sinless saint.

    The process starts with God choosing his people before creation and creating them altogether as the Word as light energy. This is the power God needed to take his thoughts and plans and put them into action. This is how we're able to be alive in a body and speak to each other.

    During the course of this age, according to God's plans, a child of God would be born in the flesh with the power of the Word within him. We were all born sinners except for the messiah who we call in english, Jesus. The prophets couldn't be sinless because the messiah hadn't died for the forgiveness of all sins. This means they died as sinners but because they had the Word in them, God was able to get their sinful flesh to obey his commands. Once he had them obedient to his spoken Word in them, then he could have them write or speak inspired words for him. He also performed miracles through them.

    Jesus had to made sinless because it was in God's plans and in the prophesies that the prophets wrote. He had to be a pure sacrifice for the sins of all people. With this sacrifice, it enabled the rest of God's children to become sinless saints who preached the same gospel as Jesus did. The gospel is the voice of God because we're created as the Word. We're the only ones who can speak for God.

    Once a child of God hears the gospel, he knows that he's being called home, which is God. We keep listening to the gospel until the Word of God is revealed in some way. With Peter, God told him that Jesus was the Christ, or the Word. Whatever God does, the child of God will know that it's him. This is the point of faith that God needs in order to us identify God whenever he works in us.

    He starts to make commands to get the child of God to confess and repent os his sins so that God can change his genetic traits to stop the power of that particular sin he repented of. Eventually, according to God's plans, he'll get this child of God completely sinless and this is when the Word is totally revealed in the heart, mind and soul of this child. This makes him a sinless saint with the truth, which is the knowledge of God.

    This knowledge is necessary to go preaching the gospel so we can identify all the sinners who are liars. This knowledge will immediately identify another saint with the truth in him.

    After reading this, now go and read 1 John and it will make more sense to you unless your sin of pride won't let you.
     
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    You are incorrect. The Scriptures plainly tell us of a judgment of the saints. I am completely forgiven, but I can indeed still sin.

    What you are mixing up is the difference between "sin" and "sins." Our "sin" is our complete separation from God by birth. It is a positional issue that is un-redeemable save for Christ's atonement and imputed righteousness. Our "sins" are those acts of commission, omission, intentional or accidental that we do in violation of God's Word and God's heart. We can commit "sins" at any point, saved or not. We are no longer in our birth position as one dead in sin and trespasses once "in Christ."
     
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    Have I misunderstood you, or are you really saying that you believe in sinless perfection?
     
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    It's obvious you couldn't read all these scriptures I provided for you. You will have to deny the Bible and the truth that's in me. That leaves you with the sin of pride that will condemn your flesh to death. Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, he came to fulfill the law so all sinners will die as sinners.

    We saints were forgiven of all our sins before we're born of God and then we'll never sin again.

    Here are some scriptures from the Bible that you love so much. They tell a much different story than your excuses to avoid the truth.

    1 John 3:
    6: No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him.
    9: No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

    1 John 2:
    3: And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    1 John 5
    18: We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

    Galations 5:
    24: And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

    Romans 6
    22: But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life.
    23: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
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    1 John 3:
    6: No one who abides in him KEEPS ON sinNING; no one who KEEPS IN sinNING has either seen him or known him.
    9: No one born of God KEEPS ON commitING sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot KEEP ON SINNING sin because he is born of God.

    1 John 5
    18: We know that any one born of God does not KEEP ON sinNING, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
     
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    Why do you want us to read the scriptures when you already made a SINLESS DECLARATION that we cannot understand the scriptures and only you understand the scriptures?

    Why do you even use the scriptures since you already made a SINLESS DELCARATION you have direct access to God and can ask Him directly what His will is?

    It seems that YOUR SINLESSNESS as contradicted and confuted himself.
     
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    The flesh of man is nothing but dead atoms but the created soul of a man carries all the information to the brain of the flesh that processes our thoughts to make it function according to God's plans.

    The flesh is never perfect in this age. Even the memory that Jesus had contained the sins of others and that's why he said he wasn't good.

    The flesh is of no avail during this age but it was necessary for God to reveal his knowledge in the hearts, minds and souls of his saints and Jesus. He was able to get his prophets obedient enough to make them write and speak words he gave them. He also performed miracles through them but since they were sinners, they couldn't receive the knowledge of God.

    The Word forces our flesh to come into obedience with commands by getting us to confess and repent of sins. Forgiveness is when God changes all our genetic sin traits to stop the power to deceive our thoughts. Then the knowledge of God is revealed in our heart, mind and soul. This is when we start to love the Lord with all our heart, mind and soul and our neighbor as ourself.

    We can't do this as sinners because sin blocks the knowledge of God and this is what we call spiritual blindness and deafness. As long as we're still sinners, we cannot have the knowledge of God revealed to us, which is the truth. The knowledge is God and since we're created as the Word, we are his voice.

    The gospel we preach is the voice of God, not some words in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. That's what the Roman government added when they produced the new testament among many other pagan ideas.
     
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    These scriptures are for us saints who know we're sinners before God begins to give us commands to obey.

    Whenever you take these scriptures out of context and try make them the truth, you're only lying to yourself and everyone else to teach them to. Only God can interpret the scriptures so it's best if you don't do it anymore.

    If a sinner denies that he's a sinner, then we know that he's not of God.
     
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    You are a heretic.
     
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    You are simply teaching Gnosticism, which was one of the very first enemies of New Testament Christianity.

    Just like the gnostics you make yourself Christ or the Word dwelling in flesh. Just like the gnostics you make the body of Christ sinful while the immaterial part of you is sinless. Just like the gnostics you consider yourself an elite "spiritual" above others. Just like the gnostics you deny the scriptures can be understood by anyone but the elite spiritual class of humans.
     
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    I want you to know that you're only a sinner and not a saint. Sinners aren't authorized to use the words of God because they don't have the knowledge of God in their hearts, minds and souls.

    God didn't have me use many scriptures the first year or so because he was still revealing knowledge I needed for when he interpreted the prophesies. Now I'm able to understand the prophesies and learn all about the religion of Christianity.

    There's a reason there are over 30,000 denominations of Christianity and it surely isn't because they have the truth.

    It's your inability to understand the inspired writings of the truth. No matter how hard I try to get you to understand knowledge I have, you will fail to understand it.

    God designed it this way but don't worry about anything. All God's people are saved from their flesh when they die. We will all get new bodies in the new heaven and earth and live forever and ever.
     
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    The Pharisees called Jesus all kinds of names, too.
     

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