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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Walls, Jan 27, 2004.

  1. Walls

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    are the only things that apply to a saved Gentile (namely me), so I have been told by many preachers. Then who is the Bible for and what is its' purpose?
     
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    Oofda! Where have you been getting your preaching? I've heard of preachers making silly statements like this, but I thought this sort of superduperhyperdispensationalism was a RARE thing!
     
  3. Walls

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    What is oofda?

    Actually, I think it is quite common amongst the preachers that I know.
     
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    It's a Swedish/scandinavian thing. My grandma used to say it all the time - especially when someone said or did something stupid.
     
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    Yeah, TC is right. It's Scandanavian. In real life I usually say, "Yikes!", but I've been using that a lot here lately and was looking for variety. I've got some relatives that use "Uffda" or "Oofda" or how ever you spell it.

    So how do those preachers explain, "All scripture is profitable for the man of God"? That's found in the epistles, BTW, so they can't claim it doesn't apply to them.

    All scripture may not apply to all people in exactly the same way, of course. Some OT prophecies, for instance, were fulfilled in Christ. They gave the OT saints something to look forward to--they don't work that way for us.

    But they all teach us something. How God dealt with the nation Israel certainly teaches us something about God's character, even though certain particular rules they were expected to follow may not be exactly applicable to us.
     
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    Walls, for us Gentile Christians, the Bible

    1. helps us understand the character of God
    2. encourages us to know Him better
    3. validates itself through history, science, and prophecies
    4. allows us to obey the instruction to always be ready to give an answer for the hope that we have.
    5. reminds us of God's love and mercy during our down times
    6. helps us stay away from others' 'interpretations' so that we do not go astray in our doctrine
    7. allows us to share the Gospel as more than simply a personal testimony
    8. keeps us from being afraid as the end times progress, for we can see in the Bible that it was all prophesied, and that God is not in the least out of control!

    In short, the Bible keeps us all grounded in the Lord and on His true Word and not everyone else's explanations of it!
     
  7. Walls

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    I know that the Bible has more for me than what those preacher say. I just don't understand where they come up with such a thing. Even on this board, I have seen those who say that doesn't apply or that doesn't pertain to us. I believe every word in the Bible applies to us in one way or another as Helen has pointed out. I was just wondering how or why preachers can get by with such attitudes. :confused:
     
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    Walls:

    the Bible became alive for me when I realized it was the revelation of who God is and not just a collection of stories and people that we should learn from or emulate.
    Start from the beginning and study God. That method makes it all important
    (yeps, even good ol Leviticus!)

    paul
     
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    Their viewpoint does come out of dispensationalism, but they've taken the principles and pushed them right over the boundaries of orthodoxy, IMO. Whatever your system is, it can't out and out contradict what the text of scripture says, and if the text says, "All scripture is profitable" and your system says, "Only the epistles apply to us a Gentile believers", then need to go back and tweak your system--or in this case, maybe a complete overhaul is required.

    Because those who teach this sort of thing tend to not interact much with those who don't believe as they do. They stay within their own little group and denounce anyone who disagrees with them.
     
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    I hear that!
     
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    Paul seemed to disagree with the hyperdispensationalists. We, as believers, are all heirs of Abraham:

    Romans 4:9-17 Is this blessing then pronounced on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. How then was it counted? When he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. He received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might also be accounted to them. The father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had in uncircumcision. For the promise to Abraham and to his seed that he should be heir of the world wasn't through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of no effect. For the law works wrath, for where there is no law, neither is there disobedience. For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all. As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations."
     

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