Salvation by Works.....or Not?

Some men believe trust is given of God, others believe trust is entirely up to them. Since John 3:8 tells us we can’t tell ‘whence it cometh’, what really matters that we actually do trust. Seeing such depravity in ourselves, the greater our trust is, the more likely we will want to look outside of ourselves for the cause of it.

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Support that it is of God alone.
John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Support that it is man’s choice alone.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


The Bible teaches that there is an overlap, but no matter how you understand it, the fact is that knowing, believing, and trusting are not in any way meritorious works.

Ps 34:22 The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.


BGTF

 

You can say the same of many of them, all that really matters is do you personally trust God?

If so, then whatever your understanding of how you obtained that trust doesn't really matter, what matters is that you trust Him to give you EVERLASTING life, and keep you like He says He will.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Jude 24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


BGTF

 

Romans 10:8 But what saith it ? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

10:9 That if thou shalt confesswith thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

Our will is involved with everything that we do, including salvation...but i think our will in this context is often misunderstood.

With our own free will we contantly deny Christ and salvation until the Holy Spirit comes and regenerates us...then we freely submit to Christ and His Lordship, and are saved.

Our free will is always in submission to our nature. Before we are regenerated our nature is at enmity against God, after we are regenerated we are given a new nature.

 

#1. is "belief in Christ" ever called "salvation by works" in scripture? -- no.

#2. Can one be "saved by works" given that fact that all have sinned and so all are doomed to the lake of fire without a Savior? No.

#3. Can salvation be granted on any OTHER basis other than "by grace through faith and that not of works lest anyone should boast"? No.

It is the ONE gospel effective in ALL ages!

in Christ,

Bob

 

We had a visiting Minister at our Fellowship today. This man is a retired Master Diver for the US Navy.

He gave a great illustration to show that man has a part. He used a rope and a lifering.

He showed that Jesus, the Captaion sees a man overboard in the drowning in the sea of sin. He casts out the lifering. Now this is a picture of the gospel reaching the drowning man. The man now has a choice, doesn't he? He can take the gospel unto himself and allow the Lord to do the work, or the man can push the ring away and refuse to be saved.

The work is on the behalf of both. Man has a will. He can either accept the gospel and trust that Jesus the Captain will pull him out of the dark sea of sin and sorrow (which Jesus has promised to do for all who will trust Him), or he can reject the gospel and continue to drown.

 

good illustration.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Man, even in his sinful state, has a free will. Why would Jesus throw out a lifeline if He did not want man to be saved from the sea of sin?

If you say man did not have a free will that God did not want him to grab the lifeline, then it would have been foolish for God to offer it if He did not mean for the man to grab it.

If you say God meant for the man to grab it and the man would not grab it, you have just realized man has a free will. He can accept or reject the gospel.

The lifeline is the cross and Christ's shed blood, a perfect picture of the scarlet thread of redemption. Christ went to the cross and died for the whole world that they through Him might be saved.

Many refuse that lifeline. Many refuse to hear the gospel.

It is not that the Words of the Lord are not there for all, it is that not all have a desire to hear the Word. They have not a love for the truth.

 

Preach on my Brother, Preach on!!!

 

Hmm - are we all agreeing on this one?

I would have thought that at least one 4-pt or 5pt Calvinist would have shown up by now.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The Bible says nowhere that we repent before regeneration...if i am mistaken please site a verse.
We are called to repent and believe, but God must regenerate us first othewise we are dead in our sins. A dead man can do nothing before he is regenerated.

But our free will is always a servant to our nature. And in our sinful state our nature is anti-God and pro-sin.

If everybody has a natural choice to come to Christ and it doesn't have to happen after regeneration, then there is something inherently better in those of us who chose Christ that is not in those who have not.

 

I am a 5 pointer.

 

Your 5-pt position is noted.

Thanks for pointing that out.

in Christ,

Bob

 

so, larry, you are saying that Christ is throwing out the lifeline foolishly? Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree.

The Word tells us that Christ shed His blood for the sins of the whole world. Not some, not few, but all.

Christ throws out the lifeline. He gives us the Gospel. It is up to us to grab that lifeline and be pulled in to safety.

 

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
(Joh 6:44)