same sex marriage... what if you cant tell?

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  1. music4Him

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    Well maybe I think too much....but in this day and age with operations and cosmetic surgery...

    What if you where approached by two people who seemigly appear as male and female and asked you to marry them, only to find out later that one of them had an "operation" to alter their gender? :eek:

    I just recently was thinking about how deciving satan is and nowadays with technology who can tell? Just wondered what some of ya'll might do or handel this situation if it ever arose? Also keep in mind that Hospitals and clinics are sealing records.... so I guess checking with old Doc Callmewhenyourbetter is out of the question too. :confused:

    Thanks
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  2. Paul of Eugene

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    Well, I suppose that's what courtship and engagement times are for, to get to know your partner better. Surely couples having the right kind of relationship during that period would get to the point of sharing such things.
     
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    Is the question concerning your culpability as a minister for having done the ceremony, or about the always-been-one-sex person wanting a divorce?
     
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    Dear Music!! Land's Sake!! This world is comin' to that, you know!! The Lesbian "Butch" dresses like a man most of the time, anyway---hair "bobbed off" close----some wear men's clothing like Duck Head trousers cut for men, Wing Tip shoes and tie with button down Oxford shirt---

    Seriously---I'd do one of three things

    (1) Get out of performing weddings altogether! There's nothing in God's word that says that the Preacher "HAS" to marry anybody! Its done in a church to make it "look cute!" mostly!!!

    (2) Investigate! Background search! Ask around! Chances are---somebody's gonna know the two "Bozo's" and that will be the end of that!!

    (3) Perform marriage ceremonies for people I know---members of my immediate church and family! "Off the street" folks can just forget it---I'm not gonna do it!!

    I'd like to do #1 if I could---but . . .!

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  5. Johnv

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    If you can't tell? I think that would be less an issue of surgical technology, and more an issue of withholding something from the person you're involved with. If you've had surgery of any kind, or had health situations of any kind, you should tell your future spouse. There should be no secrets whatsoever between spouses. Privacy, yes. Secrecy, no.
     
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    Wow! [​IMG] I see some great responses there already. The reason I was asking was
    1.)I have just recently got a ministy liscenes.
    2.)With all this same sex marriage/gay stuff "comming out" everywhere what if gay people try to fix a way to try to legalize it? I just thought we might ought to be aware or ask cause I thought it could happen. Could you just see the headlines... :eek:

    Let say George and Ruben wanted to get married would they stoop as low as to trick a preacher? Just so they could find a loop hole (so to say) to try and make what isn't bibically legal.

    One scripture I thought about is where Paul was talking about doing something out of ignorance. Would that apply to the preacher that was tricked (if one was)?

    Thank you for the replys~ Keep 'em comming!
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  7. Lori

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    aaackk you just had to bring that up in case maybe they were trolling the boards looking for ideaasss around the law???? [​IMG] :rolleyes:
    lol

    I agree with what johnv and paul of eu said. Long engagement and no secrets. You just can't have a major secret like taht one and expect for things to go good.

    azwyld
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    [​IMG]

    But lets say there was a guy named George, and he decided to have a sex change. And he had been living as a woman for years. (new life new town,etc.)and now his name is Georgette, and he meets a nice guy and they procede to get engaged and ask a Minister of the Gospel to perform the ceremony.

    The guy Georgette is marrying knows the truth, but they decide it's nobody elses business and don't tell the Minister.

    If the minister performs the ceremony, will God hold him/her accountable?

    :eek: :confused: [​IMG]

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  9. Johnv

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    TL, there are sometimes necessary cases for gender reassignment. In some cases, the male genitalia don't descent and form properly. In essence, at birth, they look like the female genitalia. The person is brought up as a female, until such as time (typically in the teen years or adulthood) when hormonal changes occur. Typically, the person will still have genitalia that resemble female genitalia on the outside.
    Chromosome-wise, the person is a male, but physically, and in all apsects, the person is a female. Believe it or not, this happens in more cases that we think, because it's treated as a huch-huch issue.

    This is most definitely a case where it needs to be between the person, the doctor, and the parents, if necessary.

    Now, in the case of homosexuals, most homosexuals do not want to undergo a gender change any more than you or I would. While the radical left often attempts to lump the "transgendered" issue in with the "gay" issue, but this is more of a political tactic, and does not accurately reflect the gay issue as a whole.

    As far as the minister being held accountable by God, one could ask a similar question. What if two people pretent to be saved and pretend to be church goers, and get married by a pastor, but they're really devout Jews. Would God hold the pastor accountable? Not likely.
     
  10. music4Him

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    Good answer ~Johnv!

    ~Tam I just thought how we can check it out with out getting too personal.........Do a rib count! ROFLOL [​IMG]
     
  11. joyfulkeeperathome

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    Seriously???? And this is something I've never heard of??? Or is this just an "excuse" for a women to become a man????
     
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    p.s. Men and women have the same amount of ribs!!! [​IMG]
     
  13. blackbird

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    Here goes!!! When in doubt---check it out!!!

    Hey!!! Just as good an answer as Johnv's!!!!!
     
  14. Paul of Eugene

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    Suppose an individual has been born with sex chromozones yyx - abnormally configured - gets a sex change from male to female due to gender confusion - then becomes a baptist, joins a church and repents of the gender change -

    Can that person become a deacon? <ggg>
     
  15. Pennsylvania Jim

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    It sounds funny, I know,
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  16. joyfulkeeperathome

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    hehehehe, I always liked that song.....
     

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