Sanctified by His Death !

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    Heb 10:10

    10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    And in accordance with this will [of God], we have been made holy (consecrated and sanctified) through the offering made once for all of the body of Jesus Christ (the Anointed One).AMP

    All for whom Christ died, The meaning of the words " the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ", are by it Sanctified, set apart, once and for all, which produces results into their present and future ! The word sanctified here is the greek word hagiazō:


    I.to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow


    II.to separate from profane things and dedicate to God

    A.consecrate things to God


    B.dedicate people to God


    III.to purify

    A.to cleanse externally


    B.to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin


    C.to purify internally by renewing of the soul

    Now to do this, to make or render Holy, to purify internally entails a the making of a new creation, a new man Created Eph 4:24

    24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    This New Man must be Created to render True that Christ's death sanctified us, or its not a reliable Truth, its a lie ! Thats right, Heb 10:10 would be a lie.

    The word created ktizō means to form, shape, make

    B.to form, shape, i.e. to completely change or transform

    So all for whom Christ died shall be be Created Holy in a New Creation, this is how they become sanctified internally, its that renewal Paul speaks of here Titus 3:5

    Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    That word renewing means:

    I.a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better,

    B.to be changed into a new kind of life as opposed to the former corrupt state

    The Sanctification that Christ's Death provides changes the inner man, or it would be incomplete !

    Also, thats why its foolish to think or believe the Lie that Christ tasted death for all humanity without exception, as false teachers wretch to their own destruction Heb 2:9

    9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    If tasting death for every man meant all without exception, then all without exception would be Sanctified by His Death as stated in Heb 10:10 and consequently all without exception would be made a New Man, would be given a New Life unto God, or His death failed to once and for all Sanctify them, which is Blasphemy to High Heaven ! His Sanctifying death mandates an implantation of New Life !
     
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    What is the common denominator in all the threads you have started?

    Think about it for a moment. What has been your life's work here for God?

    You have spent hundreds of hours trying to convince others that the Word of God doesn't really mean ALL men when it says ALL men, and doesn't really mean EVERY man when it says EVERY man. And WHOSEVER doesn't mean WHOSOEVER. And the WHOLE WORLD doesn't really mean the WHOLE WORLD.

    Do you see your life's work here is to convince the sheep that they just can't take the Word of God as it is written? Is this what you want as your accomplishment when you stand before the Lord to have your works judged by Christ?

    Well Lord, I told them your blood wasn't for the whole world. I told them you didn't die for the sins of everyone. I spent my life helping Your Apostles, who couldn't speak clearly, and certainly didn't write clear enough for Your sheep to understand, express what they should have said clearly in the first place.
     
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    steaver

    Are you ready to discuss the points I made in this thread ? Did you understand them ?
     
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    I will say that most of these (SBM's) threads are one-sided in that no one replies. It is in large part due to how debate is handled. You (SBM) waste time here because you come off as unfriendly, illogical, stubborn, and hard to engage. I'm a professor and I can tell you that all of this cause you to turn people off and ultimately makes you ineffective. I believe you know this and just don't care which means that you aren't here to actually teach, or share, or even convince others of your gospel and theology for if you were you would change the way you do things.

    In all honesty, my intent in this reply isn't to be antagonistic but to help your message not be ignored...unless you're fine with wasting time and causing the gospel of Christ to be snarked at, not because of something lacking in others but because of something lacking in you...social grace.
     
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    Are you ready to discuss the points I made in this thread ? Did you understand them ?
     
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    Sanctified by His Death !2

    Lets revisit the word sanctified in Heb 10:10, its the verb hagiazō ,from the adjective hagios which means:

    sacred (physically, pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially, consecrated):—(most) holy (one, thing), saint.

    The verb means also :

    to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

    Which meaning it has here 1 Cor 6:11;Heb 13:12 and is akin to what the writer of Hebrews means here by the word purged Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    The word purged here katharismos means:

    a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ !

    Amen, a cleansing from the guilt of sin contracted by the fall in Adam and afterwards in themselves, strictly by the Death of Christ, after which He " sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on High " !


    This again points to the offering of Himself, His Body Heb 10:10

    10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    Many false teachers deny that those Christ died for are by His death alone, not His resurrection, deny that by it they are saved from the penalty of their sins, Justified from the guilt of them ! But thats exactly what the word sanctified means in Heb 10:10:

    to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

    To be free from the guilt of sin is Justification ! The word Justification in Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    Its the greek word dikaiōsis and means:

    1. the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
    2. abjuring to be righteous, justification
    The resurrection therefore is a open declaration of what the death of Christ accomplished, our Justification from all guilt of sin, and abjuring us righteous !
     
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    I'm already engaged on your "Who are those ALL God has Mercy On ?" thread and still awaiting your answer.

    In case you forgot, here is my last post after you declared me a false witness for saying these verses were speaking of the blood of Christ....

     
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    I guess that means you are fine with wasting your time and casting the gospel in a bad light. I'll leave you to your vice.
     
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    You keep asking this question and yet I'm fairly certain you don't understand what you're doing.

    First, and this is a rehash, you simply offer no cogent argument by jumping from disparate verse to disparate verse. Your method (or lack thereof) of biblical "interpretation" does not take the author's main point into any type of consideration. Put simply you make mountains out of mole hills and mole hills out of mountains because you have no true, biblical hermeneutic or theology. You simply proof-text through the Bible and rip verses out of context to support your theology. What is more, I myself am a full, 5-point Calvinist and there are agreements we have in theology. But, like the poor math student who refuses to show your work, you essentially use some verses like a calculator because you think you have the right answer, yet you don't show your work. And, on the off chance you do show "work" it is horribly flawed.

    Here's an example... You wrote:

    First, and foremost, there is a greater context to the author's argument--which you totally ignore. Second, "Sacrificed" in Hebrews 10:10 is most decidedly not a verb; it is a participle. The use of either an Adjective, a Verb, or a Participle is important in Greek for the nuance of the argument the author is making.

    You simply have never demonstrated that you have any earthly idea of what you're talking about... because biblical hermeneutics and theology aren't a Jimmy Fallon word association game...

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    Evasion of points!
     
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    Saying that you've misread a participle as a verb is not an evasion of your points. It is, rather, a refutation of your point based on method.

    If you actually knew and had facility with Greek, instead of using something like Strong's, you might have a fighting chance.

    Hear this: I'm not evading your points; I'm pointing out that you have no idea what you're talking about in making your points, and, therefore, your points are invalid based on your lacking method.

    And, by the way, not engaging with me on whether a word is a verb or participle is an evasion on your part, not mine.

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    Evasion and rabbit trail!
     
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    Is that all you can say? Can you not refute what I've said?

    This is funny and sad all at the same time... When I was in Seminary, there were some poor Jehovah's Witnesses and, on another occasion, a couple of Mormons who came to the dorms to share their message with us Southern Seminary guys. I give them points for courage, but question their sanity.

    We, frankly, tortured them mercilessly--in the nicest of ways. We would let them get about half way through their presentations and then we'd start asking questions... The sad thing is that the JWs and Mormons didn't really know why they believed something. They had been indoctrinated into their respective cult-like heresies and taught a stock presentation to memorize that, when questions were asked, were insufficient. When we asked them pertinent, textual questions that easily refuted the point they were making, their eyes glazed over and, if it were possible, they reset like a virus-ridden Windows computer. After the inevitable "reboot," they could only start at the beginning of their presentations...

    Apparently, you've been indoctrinated into some type of hyper-calvinistic "-ology" and you have no facility or acumen to adjudicate what the scripture actually says and means. When your flawed understanding is engaged and pointed out (which even the Arminians here are able to do to you), all you can do is go back to the beginning and vomit your dribble all over again.

    You evade every criticism (by screaming "evasion") simply because you cannot compute what is being said against your position--which, educationally, means you don't actually "own" your position. You're simply borrowing your "-ology" and the corresponding "capital" from someone else. A precarious position for you, indeed.

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    This is so true. SBM does this here because he's not able to engage with people offline. I truly believe he's someone who read a bad article on the doctrines of grace and just became a "Calvinist" and even thinks he can convince others. Sadly, he is a straw man for the Reformed view.
     
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    The ArchAngel and Robustheologian,


    Keep it up and he will put you on ignore like me.


    They keep him on here because he is the poster child of what the non-cals think we believe. We do not hold to his heretical views, he spews heresy after heresy, and yet he gets to keep posting them. Sad really. :tear: :BangHead: :tonofbricks:
     
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    SG - I lean to the arminian view, but do NOT consider SBM a "poster child" for calvinism. I don't know what I would consider SBM. I do know he has a problem with the english language, as he started out saying "rehearse my points," and I finally got him to use "review" instead; but many of his other mistakes revolve around misunderstanding words, whether in english or Greek (as Archangel pointed out).
     
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    Evasion and rabbit trail continues!
     
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    Good points...

    But, it may be that he's been taught what to believe, not how to read the Bible, understand the Bible, and apply the Bible to one's life.

    The Jimmy Fallon-esque Word-association "How do you like me now" game which he constantly engages in is not a biblical hermeneutic.

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    The only evasion is by you. You have been called out on your posting. You now have to put up, or shut up as they say.
    These men are not novices. They know what they are talking about.Put on your big boy pants and give an answer to these direct points if you can.

    I doubt you can but you can show me wrong by actually answering.
     
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    Do you want to debate the points I made in this thread ? Lets start with the OP, highlight the points I made and how, then we move from there !
     
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