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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Alive in Christ, Sep 4, 2008.

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  1. JerryL

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    I will be back to work at a different plant in the next couple of weeks. I signed up because it is insurance and money is taken out of my check to pay for it.
     
  2. Bro. Curtis

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    Sounds to me like you should be praising God above for providing for you, in this "horrible" economy.
     
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    IOW, you signed up because you are entitled? Or just because you can?

    Did you even look for an interim job?

    Pitiful

    AJ
     
  4. JerryL

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    Matter of fact, I talked to the guy yesterday that is sending me to the other plant next week or the week after. Just walking out and findind a job in a city the size of yours is a little different than finding one where I live. I work union so, as you know, somebody else finds my jobs. This isn't about my job, it has ups and down by nature. They didn't impose that extention by the construction industry.
     
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    ?? Did you look at the 90s?

    Anyhow - you claimed unemployment was the worst in US history. Even in the last 60 years that is not true.
     
  6. JerryL

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    Late 80's and early 90's, it was the same extention.
     
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    Sorry, I thought our national history went back more than twenty years. You claimed unemployment was the worst in US history. If you only meant twenty years you should have said so.

    Unemployment is higher than it has been since November 2003. Now that is an accurate statement.
     
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    I just moved back to Oklahoma from Kentucky. Our town here in Ok has about 15,000 people, and the one we lived in KY was 1500. There are jobs open every day in both. I suspect there are job openings in your town also, but you feel that those jobs are beneath you, yet you have no problem accepting unemployment.

    I see it different. There is no job beneath me when I need to feed my family. And as long as there is ANY job open, then unemployment IS beneath me.

    But, I have my standards and you have yours.

    AJ
     
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    Which papers are you reading?

    According to the U. S. department of labor and the Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.bls.gov) the current unemployment rate in the United States is 5.7%. That is for July 2008, the most recent month available on the website. Average hourly wages for July were $18.06. This is an increase in the average wage of $ .06 from June and an increase in unemployment of .2%.

    This is what we expected with the minimum wage hike wasn’t it? increased unemployment but also increased wages.

    According to the census bureau statistics unemployment during the depression peaked in 1933 at 24.7%. Of course back then they calculated employment differently as most women were not considered as part of the labor force.

    Looking at more recent history, back in 2000 unemployment was down to about 4% while in mid 2003 it was over 6%. In 1992 we were up to 7.7% and in 1982 it was 9.8%.

    So is unemployment up? No not really. I mean it was up in July over June but historically speaking, not it is not that high.

    The average wage rate is of course at an all time high but you would have to adjust for inflation to make a real comparison and I am not sure how to do that.

    I am not 100% sure on this but I think the 13 week extension is added automatically to any area that has unemployment above the national average. I know the last time I was on unemployment we were hoping to get 39 weeks instead of 26 but the unemployment rate dropped and we only got 26. (I ended up with a job in week 24 so it became a moot point. To me anyway)
     
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    Well, that means FAR more people are at work than ever before!
     
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    Not true. It was a national extention. States don't have to abide by it but I think most are.
     
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    Guys I want to offer an opinion on this statement.

    As I alluded to earlier, I was on unemployment for 24 weeks back in 2001. Yes there were jobs I could have taken during those 24 weeks. I could have taken a lower paying job and continued looking for something better, but is that really being honest to my employer. I could have taken a job making about the same as I was drawing in unemployment. But would that have really helped my family. When I was out of work I was working 40+ hours a week looking for my next job. I was sending out resumes and going to job fairs, making cold calls on companies, and setting up interviews. I was looking for an engineering or managers position with a manufacturing company. If it had not been for unemployment I would have been working somewhere else for less money and it would have taken me longer to find the job I wanted.

    Unemployment is not charity. I have worked a job, sometimes 2, every day of my life since I was 15 except for those 24 weeks and every one of those weeks I have worked my employer had to pay unemployment insurance premiums to the government. This was not free money but part of the cost of my employment. This was my money that I earned that was paid out to the government. Why should I not use that insurance when I needed it?

    Everyone on unemployment is not a freeloader and in fact those on unemployment that are not looking for work find themselves off unemployment pretty quick.
     
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    You don't even have a clue about my money or my family's. If I pay for unemployment, and I am legally entitled to it inbetween jobs, I will use it. I pay dearly for it. The point is, is that the economy is in a shambles, or they wouldn't have the extention. Quit bringing your emotion tatics into the discussion.
     
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    Woah! You are being VERY accusatory, putting words in his mouth and questioning his motives. Is this a very Godly way to deal with things?

    Yeah - there may be jobs but if you're going to be getting another job in a few weeks, what kind of job can you find? There may be some - but not many places that will hire you TODAY for a 2-3 week stint. It takes time to find a job - and in the meantime bills need to be paid. Even a few weeks of unemployment will help keep someone's head above water.

    Honestly, you didn't address me in your post but even I'M offended. I think you owe him an apology.
     
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    I don't think everyone on unemployment are freeloaders. I also do not think it is honest to take a temptorary job knowing you are looking for another. That is not fair to the employer. And in many cases your time is taken up working when you could be looking for the job you need.
     
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    AJ would have you believe they are freeloaders though. Kinda sounds like this come straight from the Republican platform to AJ's mouth. As you said, anyjobs in my area would be drastically lower than unemployment rates.
     
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    Republicans do not call those on unemployment benefits freeloaders. Get real.
     
  18. JerryL

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    No, but they are typically more for big business than they are for middle class people, unless you are in MCCain's middle class, "under 5 million".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP-0pedQeGw
     
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    I had no problem finding temporary jobs on temporary terms, and the temporary employers knew it up front. There are so many people that are lazy or feel that they are above menial labor that the employers were glad to have my temporary help.

    Most folks that I know that go on unemployment never ever look for another job (they even bogus up the weekly reports to the state to show they did), and they milk the program for all they can get....using up the entire 26 or 39 weeks.

    No, I wont apologise because I think this is a national problem and that the whole unemployment benefit program needs to be overhauled.

    And, as long as there is any job open, then a person is not really entitled to benefits no matter how much they have paid in.

    AJ


    If there is a job open that a person can get hired for, and they refuse to even apply for that job, then that person is unemployed by choice, and should be denied benefits.

    AJ
     
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    They have helped our small business, as well. Obama will absolutely kill us.
     
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