Sarah Palin's Big, Sleazy Safari

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  1. KenH

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    Sarah Palin's Big, Sleazy Safari

    By John Dolan, AlterNet
    Posted on September 2, 2008

    Most people had never heard of Sarah Palin when she was named the Republican VP nominee. But I'd been hearing her name all too often, because I belong to a group called Defenders of Wildlife -- and in her time as governor of Alaska, Palin has used her position as governor of Alaska to ruin the Alaskan wilderness in every way she could.

    - rest at www.alternet.org/module/printversion/97207

    There is a lot more discussed in this article than just her horrible wolf killer mentality - which is horrible enough by itself.
     
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    I for one would love to go an an Alaskan safari.

    These idiots who would eliminate hunting as a wildlife management tool don't undertand the way the earth works.
     
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    Yeah, I guess the way the earth works it is entirely unnatural for a wolf to hunt down a caribou and entirely natural for a human being to track down/shoot a wolf from an airplane. :rolleyes:
     
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    No not at all, but man is a predator just like the wolf. It is entirely natural for the wolf to kill the caribou and equally natural for the man to kill the wolf or the caribou.

    Because we have a greater ability to reason we can look at population levels and set seasons and limits and all responsible human hunters follow those. The wolf of course does not know any of this and so we have to control the number of caribou they kill by controling their numbers.

    Wolves are big time predators that we have been unable to sustain in much of the lower 48. We tried for several years to maintain a population of red wolves here in western NC but we were unable to create a self sustaining population. They destroyed the deer populations and required additional food from human sources.

    I hate it but human encroachment and habitat losses have made much of the earth unsuitable for wild wolves. I am glad there are still places like Alaska where they can thrive and I appreciate Sarah Palin's support of allowing real wildlife professionals to manage that population. As much as the warm and fuzzy libs mean well their mis management would result in the destruction of the entire wolf population in the long term. Palin's plan allows for a self sustaining continual population of wolves in Alaska that will be there for future generations.
     
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    Not so fast, we hunt a species until it becomes extinct and placed on the do not touch list. Man was meant to hunt as the means of survival and not as sport. Freezers full of meat and routing carcases in the wild are indicators we are not good custodians.
     
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    To kill a wolf other than in human self-defense is evil.
     
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    Not so fast, no we don't. We have modern game practices that not only ensure the survival but also the growth of wildlife. Because of hunters we have populations of deer, elk, turkey, and geese that are not only nowhere near extinction but are growing. Pronghorn antelope were near extinction, not anymore, Buffalo were gone from the plains, not anymore. And it is because of hunters not vegetarians.
     
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    Yea, save the trees and wolves, kill the babies.

    We have to control the wolf population just like we control the caribou, moose, and bear populations, and hunting is the best tool to use to accomplish that.

    Oh I am sure you would love to fly to Alaska and pass out condoms to all those male wolves but that just does not work. Oh I forgot it doesn't work with humans either.
     
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    Even if the wolves are hunting another species out of existance?

    By the way, the wolves are hunted by plane because it is such a vast area. It is not done for sport so much as to control a wolf population that is so big that it is killing everything else in the area.
     
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    Can you give an example of any species being hunted out of existance by wolves? I think not. Man has hunted many species out of existance, should we hunt them from airplanes? I think not. If left alone nature is self-limiting.

    Dire predictions were made when wolves were introduced to an Alaskan island. The results were surprising. Read from the link:

    http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...es+island+experiment&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
     
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    Do you actually know anything at all about the issue?

    Or did you just jump on the band wagon against the Republican VP nominee?

    If you researched the issue even a little you could see that it is plainly about managing wildlife.

    Did you read the actual proposal?
     
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    Yep, I know a little bit about the topic of wildlife management. Grew up on a farm, did a bit of hunting as a kid and teenager growing up. Knew Forest Rangers and Game Wardens. Father was a Soil Conservationist. So, I grew up close to the earth and learned a bit. How 'bout you?

    You did not say manage wildlife. You said that wolves hunt other species out of existence. That is not true, never has happened that I know of. Nature has a way of keeping things in balance if left alone. Unfortunately man has terribly upset the balance of nature. For instance, deer hunting is a must in the Eastern United States. Why? Because man destroyed the preditors of deer, i.e. the cougars. Left alone deer overpopulate and end up sick and starving. Deer, from their own nature, do not move around much. Bear cover lots more territory, but they need to, and they like or will live in rougher country than deer.

    The Bobcat is still found in the mountains. I have been fortunate enough to spot Bobcats several time. I considered it a blessing to see this wonderful animal. I do not live far enough north to have a chance to see the Fishercat, but would love to ... from a distance of course.

    There is no need to kill Polar Bear to manage them. Their numbers are decreasing annually. Hunting Polar Bear for sport ... which side of the argument do you want me to take?
     
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    Right on!

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    (warning brutal killing of wolfs)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PaYyLs-VpI

    I would love to see these new high tech hunters actually study a wild mountain lion in the wild for 2 weeks, perhaps he would not pull that trigger.

    honors to you KenH for nailing it, I remember some of the reruns of American Sportsman where real hunters actually hunted and looked half way in shape to actually track.

    the new evangelical that is rising up in this country is taking more and more a stand (no pun)with the likes of others and say enough is enough we must bend with nature and be educated.

    outlaw hunting no, but they need to get off their lazy behinds get rid of all the high tech and cheating ways and actually hunt the animals that are over populated with clean kills and not use shotguns or torment them to exhaustion.

    I don't buy the "Alaska is too big, we have to cheat" that is a poor argument if you are going to hunt , then hunt like an Indian do the hard work , don't be lazy.
     
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    Red herring.

    The wolves are being hunted because they are killing too much of the other local wildlife and livestock.

    This is not about hunting for sport - it is about wildlife management.
     
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    There is no hunting of polar bears by plane.

    Why are you changing the subject?

    Again - have you read Measure 2?

    If not why not? Your opinion would mean more if it were an informed opinion.
     
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    The wolves are also killing dogs.
     
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    Wolves have been hunting other animals since about the day after the fall of Adam and Eve. Likewise, human's have been tracking down and "shooting" wolves since about the day after the fall of Adam and Eve occurred. Your argument is only based upon emotion and is completely lacking in logic.
     
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    Hunting for sport from planes is already illegal in Alaska.

    The arial hunting is for purposes of wildlife management.

    The wolves are dessimating the caribou population in some areas.

    Indigenous Alaskan natives rely on the caribou for food.

    The purpose of the hunting of wolves from planes is to reduce the population in select areas so that the locals will have food to eat.

    Here is an op-ed that explains it...
    http://www.adn.com/opinion/compass/story/500448.html

    Anyone can have an opinion on anything I suppose.

    But an INFORMED opinion is worth a whole lot more.
     
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    Myth: Wolves will eliminate or substantially reduce prey species.
    Fact: Wolves and large grazing animals lived side-by-side for tens of thousands of years before the first settlers arrived. Food availability and weather regulate wolf populations. When their prey is scarce, wolves suffer too. They breed less frequently, have fewer litters, and may even starve to death. Wolves often enhance prey populations by culling weak and sick animals from the gene pool, leaving only the strongest animals to reproduce.

    - www.protectwolves.org/myth.html



     
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    Can someone show me where to sign up for this safari.. I seriously would like to go!
     
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