Satan’s lie, of King James Onlyism

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  1. stilllearning

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    I never met Ruckman, but regardless of what ever else he did, he was used by Satan to hurt the Church, but unknowingly turning people away from the Bible.

    I exclusively use the KJV, for all my study and ministry, and strongly encourage every Christian that I know, to do the same, yet I am not King James Only, by today’s definition.
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    A while back, robycop3 posted a thread, in which he said........
    “KJVO is just ONE of these false, man-made doctrines.”

    And I fully agree. It is false and it is man-made.

    But in the future, we need to more clearly identify KJVO, as Ruckmanism, so as not to discourage our brothers and sisters in Christ, from trusting God’s Word.
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    I know that Dr. Bob has a sticky-thread, that does a good job of defining the differing kinds of KJVOnlyism out there, but most seem to ignore it, and classify those of us who are 1's, 2's or 3's, as 4's.

    But I blame Ruckman & Hyles etc. for this, and strongly encourage those believers, that Love God’s Word, not to be dissuaded from taking a stand upon it.
     
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    And for a quick link to Dr Bob's Sticky.....


    PS, at least I think its Dr Bob, I don't see a bowtie!
     
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    Ruckman, while a major contributor to the total KJVO package, was only ONE of its founding fathers. Like J. J. ray before him, he copied from Dr. Wilkinson's book, along with inventing some hooey of his own. However, ruckman was better-organized than Ray, and heard the cash cow mooing across the fence. He was able to set up a whole bookstore & found a "seminary" largely from his exploitation of the sensationalism of the KJVO doctrine.

    Part of my work is to identify and PROVE KJVO is false. And the easiest way to do that is to cite its total lacka SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, as well as point out that just about every point of the KJVO doctrine is INCORRECT AND MAN-MADE.
     
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    Brother William Grady an ex-Roman Catholic who wrote the book Final Authority a guide to the King James Bible knowed full well of the attack on the KJV Bible.Yes many works are based upon Benjamin Wilkinson a Seventh Day Adventist book Our King James Bible vindicated.

    Brother William Grady`s book defending the KJV Bible is not to be compared with Gail Riplinger as other plagarizers that plagarized Benjamin Wilkinson`s work.

    After reading William Grady`s work I knew then with him knowing the Roman Catholic`s workings that I could rest assured that the KJV Bible is the preserved Word of God in english.

    Steven.
     
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    Pilgrim 2009:After reading William Grady`s work I knew then with him knowing the Roman Catholic`s workings that I could rest assured that the KJV Bible is the preserved Word of God in english.

    And so are lotsa other versions, old and new. God is NOT LIMITED in how he may choose to present His word to man, nor did He retire in 1611. Betcha neither you nor Grady can prove otherwise.
     
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    Where did God promise to preserve HIS Word in many different versions that dont even agree among themselves?

    God is not the author of such confusion.

    In Jesus love.

    Steven.
     
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    Where did God promise to preserve His word in 1600 Elizabethan English? Why isn't God powerful enough to preserve His word in Modern English? Why isn't the English Standard Version THE translation? It translates the Greek and Hebrew more accurately..

    Why isn't the Geneva Bible the one true version? It was translated BEFORE the KJV, and it was translated by protestants, rather than an Anglican/Roman Catholic version...

    Bro, your position makes no sense. God preserved His word in the original languages (Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic). Translators then translate them into different languages. And they can choose many words that mean the same thing. One version could say "sword", another could say "Blade" another could say "sabre": different ways of saying the same thing.
     
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    Are you saying it's not?

    Liberal heretic :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I'm with you- let's burn him at the stake!

    :laugh:
     
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    I have a great ideal, lets take 7 of the board members to come with a new translation and we will call it the Baptist Board version. :thumbs:

    Obviously, Dr Bob will be the Chairman of the committee (as long as he wears his bow tie)

    Who else should be on the committee
     
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    John of Japan, but he's pretty busy with his Japanese translation right now. That's a priority anyways.
     
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    LOL.

    Well it's MY personal favorite. Maybe we should start "ESV onlyism". I bet we could come up with some intelligent sounding reasons why it is the only true version: we could probably get thousands of poor gullible schmoes to believe us, too. Maybe even sell them a bunch of books on the subject...

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    If only the ESV had used standard English befitting its name.
     
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    The ESV has been purified 7 times.... :rolleyes:
     
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    KJV Final Authority.

    You do not seem to understand that the KJV is translated from a whole different set of manuscripts and the ESV is not translated from the o-called older and better.



    The Geneva Bible is translated from the same manuscripts as the KJV Bible.All others come from RC Manuscripts.



    My position makes plenty of sense.Yours doesnt though.Listen to yourself.God preserved His Word in the original languages you say?


    Well if Gods Word is preserved in the original manuscripts in the original languages then where are they?

    Again where is the original languages God promised to preserve?

    I believe that God is able to preserve His Word through copies or do you think God has not the power to do such?


    Psalm 12:7 {Preserve} Strongs H5341 {nasar} a promitive root:to guard,in a good sense (to protect,maintain,obey,etc)ora bad one (to conceal,etc)besieged,hiddenthing,keep.keeper.keeping.monument,observe,preserve,
    preserver,subtil,watcher,watchman.

    I bought a Noah Webster 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language.

    This man was a beautiful Christian and Noah Webster recognized that each age is subject to the demoralization of its language by the literary or modish segment of society.Thus he put,in check and balance upon each other,universal undisputed practice and the common law of language,or established principles of analogy.

    Change for the sake of change,vulgarity,cant,slang for its own sake,was to Webster like the principle of motion in physics and if not controlled it became a principle of destruction.

    Noah Webster spent a lifetime endeavoring to liberate America from European ties of folly,corruption and tyranny.He sought to build educational system in Schools,the Church and the home embodying a love of virtue,patriotism and religion.

    This brilliant man also believed that society in his day was trying their best to corrupt the english language.The 1828 Noah Webster American Dictionary of the English language was and is the elizabethian language.

    The beauty of the Elizabethian language runs far ahead of modern day language.The KJV Bible in reality has only a 5th grade reading level and can be memorized a lot easier than modern day bibles.The NKJV Bible so-called has a 6th grade reading level and it is not honest by claiming to be easier to read because it replaced harder to understand words for easier words.The NKJV replaced the easier words for harder to understand words.

    It all boils down to profit and dont say different becauseif itwas not then there would be no copyright as the KJV in America.

    Noah Webster 1828 English Dictionary: meaning of Preserve as he uses the KJV Bible to back his meaning.The 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary of the english lanuage is built on the KJV Bible.

    1.To keep or save from injury or destruction;to defend from evil.

    God did send me before you to preserve life.{Gen 45:5}

    O Lord preserve me from the violent man {Psalm 140:1}

    2.To uphold;to sustain.

    O Lord,thou preservest man and beast.{Psalm xxxvi}

    3.To save from decay;to keep in a sound state;as to preserve fruit in winter.Salt is used to preserve meat.

    4.To season with sugar or other substances for preservation;as to preserve plums,quinces or other fruit.

    Notice this one.

    5.To KEEP or DEFEND from CORRUPTION ; as,to preserve youth from vice.

    One of the greates men of the english lanuage and its meanings he held the KJV Bible in high regard and he was a man that believed God gave us the english language and God preserved His Words in the KJV Bible.

    You dont believe this then buy you a 1828 Noah Webster American Dictionary of the english language of what he thought about the thee`s and thou`s and ye`s.He knew the way things are worded can justify or condemn you in a court of law.The ESV is far from being in agreemment with the KJV Bible in the way things are worded just as other versions do.


    You see if Noah Webster a Man of God`s dictionary of the American English language in 1828 was based upon the KJV Elizabethian language that he believed to be pure language as in the KJV Bible is another testimony that God did just what he promised in {Psalm 12:7}and Noah Webster one of the greates men of the English language if he believed the english language was being corrupted in his day then you can believe it and it is not the KJV Bible as the seminary professors that started this doubt says.

    Havensdad please get you a 1828 Noah Webster American Dictionary of the english language so you will have the articles defending the very things in the KJV Bible and dont accept the KJV critics especially of the manuscripts it came from without an exhaustive investagation.

    Dont fall for the idea satan would never attack Gods book.

    Also the 1534 Tyndale NT is the basis for the Geneva and KJV Bible thus if anyone is to be idealized then it must be Tyndale.Tyndale died at the stake under fire for translating the New Testament whence came the Geneva and King James version New Testament by the Roman Catholics.The RC Church has not changed its hate for the KJV Bible and the hate for it can be traced back to Rome.A expert on this is an ex-RC William Grady`s final Authority A Christians guide to the Bible.

    Who died and shed blood so you can have your modern day bibles?

    You know the Bible says let everything be established by two or three witnesses our Saviour said this {Matt 17:6}

    The Tyndale 1534 NT Witness #1

    The 1560 Geneva Witness #2.

    The KJV Bible final Witness #3 and the Final Authority.

    All three of the above stands in agreement when all modern day versions do not even with each other.Again I say God is not the Author of such Confusion.



    God bless America and the KJV Bible.Amen.

    In Jesus love to you all.

    Steven.
     
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    For one who pretends to be concerned about words, you sure don't do very well. Notice how you changed what was said. That is unacceptable.
     
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    Corrected with ?

    My apology.

    In Jesus.

    Steven.
     
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    I am confused by this. Do you understand the issue here?
     
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    PL was I was talking to HD sorry if you are confused.If he gets confused I will reply to him.

    Thanks for your concern.

    Have a blessed day.

    Steven.
     
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    I am not confused about what you said. I was pointing out that you changed words.

    He did not say that God's word was preserved in the originals. He said it was preserved in the original languages. That is a huge difference. You complain about changes in the words of the KJV changing meaning, but then you change a word in a simple conversation that greatly changes meaning.

    How can you claim to be so concerned about words when in fact you treat them so lightly?
     
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