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It tells us in Ez.28 that Lucifer was in the Garden of Eden. We also find him in the Garden of Eden speaking with Eve. Thus he fell in the first week of Creation, for all things were created within a six day period. God was not obligated to tell Adam and Eve anything about Satan. He told them to obey him. They were not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That was as much information as they needed.

Pure speculation. Why would God have to warn Adam and Eve against Satan? The warning was not to eat of the tree. That was all that they needed.

We don't need what didn't happen. God gave Eve a promise in Genesis 3:15 which did happen thousands of years later. That also is referred to in Revelation 12. Again, no warning to Adam and Eve were necessary.

Jesus said: I would have you simple concerning evil and wise concerning good.

 

Take three different texts: Ez.28; Isa.14; Isa.7:14.
Each one of them were addressed to a specific person in their respective historical context. For example Isaiah lived 700 B.C. However, that doesn't rule out (in 7:14) that the "sign" would be Mary giving birth to Christ. In some way it was also relevant to the king at that time. Most prophecies have a near fulfillment and far-reaching fulfillment. Isaiah 7:14 is a good example of that.

This was directed to Tyrus:
Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

Consider:
Tyrus was not wiser than Daniel.
Secrets could be hid from Tyrus.

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Consider also:
Tyrus was not full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Most important of all, he was not in Eden, the garden of God.
Every precious stone was not his covering.
Musical instruments were not his workmanship.
He was not the anointed cherub
He was not on the holy mountain of God.
He was not perfect in his ways from the day he was created. In fact Tyrus was not created, he was "procreated," or begotten--born. It is not a creation, per se. Creation ceased after the sixth day.
Soon after his creation sin was found in him. Tyrus was born with sin/sin nature.

Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Again consider:
Tyrus was not cast out of the mountain of God, and never called a "covering cherub."
This one was lifted up in pride because of his beauty and brightness or glory, and therefore cast out; cast to the ground--not Tyrus.
Note he was cast to the ashes upon the earth--an allusion to the curse that was put on the serpent.

 

Here is what it says:

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him,

Ezekiel is commanded to take up a lamentation against the king of Tyrus. Tyrus was indeed a man. But the lamentation was a description of Lucifer. I explained to you in a previous post how prophesies work: near fulfilling and far-reaching. Read my last post again. The prophecy describes Lucifer and not Tyrus. It says things that could never fit an earthly king, and could only fit an angelic being that fell. We must take Scripture for what it says, not for what we want it to stay.

 

Thou art the anointed cherub.
Thou hast been in the garden of Eden.

These are specific statements that when combined together can only refer to one person and one person only that is in the Bible. The only angel that was anointed in some way (made special), was both in heaven and in the garden of Eden, was Satan or Lucifer. He is the only person that fits this description. He rebelled against God and drew one third of the angels with him.

 

"Thou art the anointed cherub (angel)" He is describing a fallen angel. He even describes how the angel fell, and how he was in the garden of Eden. The language is very plain.
All you have in your defense is that Ezekiel is speaking to Tyrus. If that were to be the characteristic of prophecies, then prophetic literature would be useless. Many times prophecies are directed toward men but speak of others. That is the nature of prophecy.

Tyrus was a wicked king not an angel.
He lived in earthly place, not in heaven, nor in the Garden of Eden.

The statements must be relevant to both. It is a double prophecy: partially fulfilled in Tyrus (it must be relevant), but mostly fulfilled in Lucifer to whom it is about. The Bible says what it says, and as I have posted most of what is written there cannot be applied to any earthly king.

 

I suspect that someone has deluded you into thinking that you are now living in heaven???

 

It is always better to quote the entire verse to see what is being referred to, and not just a phrase. I looked up the verse for you. Then I looked up what a Greek scholar (A.T. Robertson) had to say on this expression. Here it is:

It is obvious that "shortly" has not yet come to pass. Satan is the god of this world. It is Satan who now rules this world. Who won at the WTC? Was that a victory for God or Satan? There are many battles. Ultimately God will win the war. But He does allow Satan to win some of the battles.

Remember that there is no time with God. God made time for mankind.
Look at Rev.10:20. Satan will ultimately cast into the Lake of fire, where also will be the beast and the false prophet. He is not there yet, but will be. He still remains the god of this world. That is why you are so confused.

Christ was to crush the head of Satan; Satan was to bruise the feet of Christ. It was a picture of the cross. That is what happened. Satan was ultimately defeated at the cross. True believers have victory over Satan. See 1John 5:4.

No, that is when judgement came upon Israel for their unbelief in Christ as their Messiah. After that Israel was scattered as a nation and never became a nation again until 1948.

Why then does he have you in his trap?

 

Your claim to special enlightenment by God sounds like a few others who have been on this Forum of late!

 

Amy.G

This guy is just yanking people around. It is best to ignore him. If you recall we have had 2 or 3 on the Board the last few months who have pulled the same stunt. They took the "name it and claim it" view rather than the adversarial view.