Satan & UFO's

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  1. HAMel

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    Anyone ever see strange lights in the sky? I did, back in 1952. At 7 years old my mother and I noticed about a dozen or so high in the sky while living in Southern California.

    I never considered them "little green men from Mars" but after becoming a Christian I considered them a Satanic manifestation. Below is what Edgar Mitchell has to say about UFO's.

    What an exciting time we are living in. What a scary time this will be for the unbelievers.

    Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut, was the sixth man to walk on the Moon. He has spoken out on the subject of UFOs and how the extraterrestrial issue is handled in some circles of the government.

    Editor’s Note: During a Television program with the Disclosure Project, I was introduced by Astronaut Edgar Mitchell who told the audience to listen to what I had to say about UFOs. After the show we were talking and he said other astronauts and contacts had seen UFOs and evidence of alien life. He told me to read the Dead Sea Scrolls that they explained what was going on. I said,

    was referring to the Wars between the Sons of Light and Darkness. He shook his head and smiled and said, :"Yes."
    Dead Sea War Scroll

    The War Scroll describes the final battle in gory detail as righteousness are victorious and evil is destroyed forever. This vivid account gives us insight into how, at about the time of Jesus, some Jews conceived of Armageddon. The first lines of the scroll lay the framework for a three-stage conflict between the Sons of Light-and the Sons of Darkness.


    http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_417.php

    War Scroll
    Dead Sea Scroll 1QM, 4Q491-496

    "And the dominion of the Kittim shall come to an end, so that wickedness shall be laid low without any remnant; and there shall be no survivor of the sons of darkness.”

    "On the day of clamity...the Sons of Light shall battle with the company of darkness amid the clamor of Gods and men. And it shall be a time of great tribulation from its sudden beginning to its end in eternal redemption." (1.10)


    http://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/DeadSeaScrolls/1QM_4Q491-496_war-scroll.html
     
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    Dr. Clifford Wilson wrote an interesting book on this topic "Crash Go the Chariots." He also believed these manifestations were spiritual, not physical.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0890510229/?tag=baptis04-20
     
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    Possible. I'm keeping an open mind on this. Think about how many movies, books, etc., have talked about aliens, UFOs, abductions, and that sort of thing. It is pretty well ingrained into our consciousness, whether it exists or not.

    Now ask yourself how society will explain the Rapture and millions of people who have suddenly disappeared. The "aliens got 'em and took them away" angle is a possible cover story that plenty of people would buy into.
     
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    Now ask yourself how society will explain the Rapture and millions of people who have suddenly disappeared. The "aliens got 'em and took them away" angle is a possible cover story that plenty of people would buy into.

    Yep, the aliens got 'em and good for us.

    That's probably how it will be reported on CNN.
     
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    John Keel wrote a book called 'Operation trojen Horse", and though NOT a Christian, did research and state that what we called UFO were called fairies/demons etc in middle ages

    Like same "force" was playing around with mankind since history was recorded, andit changed shapes/forms based on how advanced our science/tech was!

    he called in 'pschic phenomona", but we would label it as being "satanic"
     
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    If you accept this, you might want to think it through just a bit.

    If UFO's are "satanic", what does that mean, exactly?

    1. The lights are false phenomena created by the Devil meant to cause people to accept the possibility of alien life. Meaning that Satan causes lights to appear in the sky from nothingness in order to deceive us.

    2. There really are spacecraft flying around in the atmosphere (and elsewhere). These craft are piloted by demons. These spacecraft are substantial, that is they have mass and energy, and the demons have bodily form. The demons actually are operating controls inside the spaceships to make them fly wherever they desire.

    So which is it?
     
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    I'd recommend Dr. Hugh Ross' book "Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men"

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/1576832082/?tag=baptis04-20

    Basically he traces supposed UFO encounters and comes to the conclusion that the vast majority are explainable phenomena. For the rest one needs to consider whether the individual(s) observing the event were sober or had previous experience with the occult. Ross comes down with the conclusion that some of the few UFO events that are unexplainable can be realistically linked with the occult or demonic activity.

    I've heard him explain this, which coming from a physicist who looks at empirical data first is a surprising conclusion. When we forget that there is a constant conflict going on between forces beyond our comprehension we often try to see beyond what is reality.
     
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    OK, that's kind of a cop out. IT'S DEMONS!!

    So it's demonic activity. Precisely what does that mean? Demons flying around with blinking lights on their belts? Demons flying spacecraft with lights on them?
     
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    Why does it have to be so empirical?
     
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    Because ANYTHING can be explained by invoking demons.
     
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    If you accept this, you might want to think it through just a bit.

    If UFO's are "satanic", what does that mean, exactly?

    1. The lights are false phenomena created by the Devil meant to cause people to accept the possibility of alien life. Meaning that Satan causes lights to appear in the sky from nothingness in order to deceive us.

    2. There really are spacecraft flying around in the atmosphere (and elsewhere). These craft are piloted by demons. These spacecraft are substantial, that is they have mass and energy, and the demons have bodily form. The demons actually are operating controls inside the spaceships to make them fly wherever they desire.

    So which is it?


    Me personally, I don't have a clue. UFO's can be seen by the naked eye, reflect radar beams, scare the mud out of pilots, can be captured on film, etc.

    Bottom line is there is much we simply do not know enough about regarding this matter. I do not however believe these craft carry little green men from Mars. As a Christian I lean more in the direction of Satan as being the root cause. Many reported sightings go back many centuries and are depicted in cave drawings long before modern flight.
     
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    The show "Ancient Aliens" is a treasure trove of these drawings and also the mega drawings high atop the mountains in Peru. No human did them.
     
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    This crazy UFO phenomenon is a farce. There is NO evidence whatsoever that is compelling to conclude we have ever been visited by space/other world travelers.

    All these 'observers' who see lights in the sky and want immediately to report flying saucers, extraterrestrials, visitors ... where are they located? Arizone, Nevada, New Mexico, California-- around so many proving grounds and air force bases. Would you really not expect to occasionally see aircraft or lights thereof that aren't just like the many jets or piston engine planes we see every day? And in Ohio, by that research facility where trucks have been traced bringing in scraps from 'crash sites'. More recently, near Stephenville, TX, where many saw v-shaped lights and said it was some craft hundreds of feet across. LOL if you know what a sectional chart is, take look on one at central Texas, and you will see that sighting occurred right on an MOA [Military Operations Area]. As for estimating 'how big' some perceived flying object is, that is completely incompetent. A test was done in a documentary in which a kite was contructed to look just like a large bird with 14-foot wings. They flew the kite to 40 feet and asked passersby how big and high they though it was. Most said hudreds of feet high and 30-50 feet wingspan! That's a gauge of how reliable these reports and estimates are.

    Satan and UFO's? Dry it up! Satan seems to never be most manifest than in the people think they've found him and must crush him. Think of the thousands of tortures and deaths in the witch hunts. Are you going to shoot down the devil by bombing every light in the sky you see that you can't identify?
     
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    What is the mechanism that Satan uses to make UFO's? Can Satan create things out of nothing?

    If you answer no, then the objects seen are either unreal things that people hallucinate or they are real, constructed objects. If they are hallucinations then you have the problem of radar evidence and photographic evidence. Therefore, they must be constructed objects. So who makes the UFO's for the Devil?
     
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    I think there are two things going on with Satan's deception. One is that he is able to appear in different forms. In the garden, he appeared to Eve as a serpent. 2 Cor. says he comes as an angel of light (has the appearance of holiness). He is also very deceptive in terms of our minds. We have been conditioned over many years to at least consider UFOs, or strange flying craft. He is able to deceive on a mental level.
    Do not underestimate the power of the enemy. He is described in the bible as the prince of power of the air for a reason.
     
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    What is the mechanism that Satan uses to make UFO's? Can Satan create things out of nothing?

    I think I read somewhere about Satan being the Prince of the world. He caused a lot of havoc to befall on Job, no?

    Again, we don't really know Satan and his power. In my humble opinion the only thing keeping Satan down somewhat is the presence of the Holy Spirit. After the rapture the Holy Spirit will not be here and on and on....

    No presence of the Lord unleashes Satan. Satan does have power and one of his best weapons is to cause men to drift away from God. UFO's will have that same effect.

    Ever watch Star Trek? A neat little syfi show but what really is being put forward is man's ability to survive by man alone. No God in Star Trek. Humanism is Star Trek.
     
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    But who says they are actual vehicles (playing along here) perhaps they are illusions altogether.

    According to Clifford Wilson, the movements they make defy physics and universal laws and cannot be actual physical vehicles.
     
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    Those manifestations of Satan are all biological creatures, or forms of humanity. Are you saying he can appear as a mechanical object as well? And while appearing as this mechanical device, fly around in the atmosphere?
     
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    Just saying they might appear human, alien, whatever, but are spiritual beings, change their forms/appearances, also can play "mind games" to make you 'think" seeing them as being physical!
     

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