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Satan & UFO's

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by HAMel, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. righteousdude2

    righteousdude2 Well-Known Member
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    I Once Heard Billy Graham Admit...

    ....That this was one big universe, and to think we were living here alone was highly improbable. I thought that was not only candid on his behalf, but also strange!:thumbs:

    I don't have an answer for life beyond earth. I wish I did, but I don't. What I do entertain is merely speculation, and because our Bible doesn't make any attempt to shed light on this topic, all I can do is agree with Graham (SEE:http://s3.invisionfree.com/Christianity/ar/t398.htm AND http://www.daretobeadaniel.com/spir...s-on-other-planets-really-exists/?cat_id=8859 AND http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=4449), and say that if God could create us, the entirety of the universe that we see, then it is possible that He could have created life, similar to us, on other planets and within other universes.

    After all, if everyone who believes in Him and is going to heaven, this planet may just not be large enough to accommodate all those living on in eternal life. And who's to say, that God and heaven are represented in placing human life forms on other planets in other solar systems and universes.

    The question is mind blowing, and unless those religions which believe only 144,000 souls will go to heaven. I think this old, tired out planet will truly be overwhelmed and over-populated when the Lamb's Book is opened, and the roll call is made.

    I just don't know about UFOs. I do remember as a sixth-grade student, standing in awe on the playground with at least 400 other students who just finished lunch, and being drawn into looking up into the sky, like the others and the teaching staff, as we all witnessed what appeared to be a cylindrical silver object, spinning overhead.

    It sat there for at least a minute (long enough for the quiet whispers of everyone on the playground to get all eyes on the sky. When it did move it moved faster than anything I've ever seen before. It went straight up into the cosmos, and in the blink of an eye; it was gone. Just seconds after the school principal came running out with his trusty old camera. He tried to grab a photo, but when he pointed to snap that all important pictures, it went away, almost like it knew it was about to be photographed, and that it didn't want that to happen!

    It was one of those situations that none of us had a good explanation for, but, somewhere in the world are more than 400 now grown children, and maybe some school staff members are still alive, who will never forget the day we saw a UFO.

    It was the first and last UFO I've ever seen, and truthfully speaking; I don't really care if I ever see another.

    It was a very unsettling feeling, that caused me to be scared for quite some time after that day.

    Was it Satan? I highly doubt it. Was it real? I can't deny it! What it was, exactly was never again addressed by staff or students. It was something we all fantasized about for a long time after, but none of us ever forgot, nor did we doubt any longer that we may not be alone in this vast universe our God created!
     
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  2. matt wade

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    Billy said it, so it must be true, right?

    If you believe the Bible, all men are descendants of Adam. Are you saying that descendants of Adam were taken to populate other planets?

    You do realize that there will be a new heaven and new earth, right?


    Here we get to the crux of it. You saw something. You saw something, so now you can simply disregard the Word of God. You've been deceived. As as been said in this thread already, that's the plan when it comes to UFOs and such...deception.
     
  3. righteousdude2

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    Well, Thanks Matt..

    I suppose your word is final, so I can't thank you enough for straightening me out. I only wish the two of us could be in person so you could see the look of "awe" that has overcome me with your dressing down!!!

    I am standing (by way of cyber-space) in the presence of greatness, and someone who has all the answers to everything that doesn't have an answer.

    I wonder how it must feel to be Matt Wade? Is it overwhelming for you to look yourself in the mirror and see "perfection" staring back at you??? :sleep:

    I have no objections to the scriptures you presented. In fact, I believe them to be true. However, there are things in this life that there are just no answers for, so since you have now presented yourself before me as being all knowing and all understanding of the unknown, I yield to your intellect, which seems to be far more superior than anything anyone else may have, especially if it is in disagreement with what you hold to be the absolute truths!

    The next time I need answers to things that most don't have answers to, I'll direct mail you, so you won't have to put the fear of Matt into others who may have an opposing view, thought, or opinion and desire to share it on the forum!

    In conclusion: Me thinks that U give Satan way too much credit. Could there be a rational reason behind your credits and kudos to him???

    And as for Billy Graham. No, I don't think that because he said it, it must be true. I just used his words as an example. Whatever the group of children and adults observed that day may have been a demonic lie. Who knows. I for certain don't even pretend to know. However, if it were a massive demonic deception, then so-be-it! Forgive me for thinking that I had the right and freedom to share my story on this forum without being humiliated by a "know-it-all, religious bully!" Good night, and God Bless!

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
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  4. Winman

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    I have seen UFOs several times up close, and I have never dabbled with the occult. I believe they are spiritual, but take on real physical existence. I believe their purpose is to deceive men.
     
  5. matt wade

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    Thanks Paul...guess since you can't address the topic and the points that I brought up you just bring out a sarcastic and condescending attitude. Why do you even visit the debate forums if you don't want your long-winded, story telling posts debated upon? Maybe you should just stick to publishing your little "books".
     
  6. InTheLight

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    Just to clarify: When you say UFO's are spiritual entities that take on real physical existence, are you saying that they are demons that assume the shape of UFO's? Shapes like cigar shaped cylinders, saucer shaped objects with blinking lights and the like?
     
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    Just to further clarify, appearing as being mechanical does not mean they are in actuality. While driving on a hot summer day the road appears to be either metal or water and is referred to as "highway mirage". Mirages may be a plausible explanation of these alleged UFO's.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F...rior_mirage_no_mirage_and_superior_mirage.jpg
     
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    These UFO's are known to appear on radar and can be photographed. They appear to be solid to the naked eye and also to measuring instruments. When flying they abruptly change directions. In any event, Winman used the phrase "real physical existence", that rules out a mirage or trick of the eyes. Can spiritual entities appear as solid objects on radar?
     
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    No reason to think that they cannot. We entertain angels unaware, and we do have documented instances of them eating and physically touching people. If these radar accounts are indeed true, there is no reason to believe a demon could not be involved. Spiritual doesn't mean "non physical". We will all receive spiritual bodies like Christ's, which was a real, tangible, physical body.
     
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    UFO's in the Bible?

    Ezekiel 1:1-4 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. 2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity, 3 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him. 4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

    I have heard it taught that it's possible Ezekiel saw a "flying saucer" when he had this vision--in verse 4, using the Strongs Concordance, the phrase colour of amber can mean that it "appeared highly polished brass". Now I'm not saying this explanation is Gospel, but whatever Ezekiel saw in his vision was hard for him [and us] to explain:)
     
  11. HAMel

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    Now I'm not saying this explanation is Gospel, but whatever Ezekiel saw in his vision was hard for him [and us] to explain

    Thank you, Jeremiah2911.

    Obviously what Ezekiel witnessed was a figment of his imagination, no? Perhaps swamp gas? The results of a bad diet?

    Not hardly. Ezekiel saw what he saw that came from the Lord. As indicated earlier, Satan has awesome power and can/has imitated the Lord on many occasions. We certainly have no real insights into the realm of existence so who's to say these objects are not possible and are here for all the wrong reason's?
     
  12. Winman

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    Well, I can only tell you what I saw, and they appeared as aircraft. I never touched one, I never saw beings, but I saw them very close and in detail. One I heard, it made a sizzling sound, like when you drop french fries into hot grease, or frying bacon. May sound silly, but that is what the sound reminded me of.

    You cannot convince someone who has never seen one of these craft, and that is completely reasonable. I did not believe myself until I saw one.

    I am completely aware of the ridicule I will receive, I learned that when I told friends. But I know what I saw, and I know these were not man-made craft. I know airplanes, jets, rockets, and balloons well, I grew up around military bases. I was a real fanatic about planes as a kid and could identify nearly any plane on sight and tell you many details about it. I have seen rockets many times.

    I believe these objects are spiritual, because they can defy all known physical laws. One object I observed hovered for several minutes dead still, and then zipped off at the most incredible speed I've ever seen without making a sound. There was another person with me, and he saw exactly what I saw. This object was no more than 500 feet from me, and about 200 feet altitude. It was your classic saucer shape, I estimate about 60 feet diameter, and maybe 15 feet thick. It glowed orange like hot metal and had an orange haze or halo around it. I saw it at night on the beach in Florida. The next day there were reports of several other persons who saw this object on local radio.
     
  13. Jeremiah2911

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    Amen, obviously there are a lot of things we don't and probably won't know about for sure until we are "face to face".....I often remind people that God isn't limited by our 3 dimensions, and another Scripture I like to think of is:

    2 Kings 6:13-17 And he said, Go and spy where he is, that I may send and fetch him. And it was told him, saying, Behold, he is in Dothan. 14 Therefore sent he thither horses, and chariots, and a great host: and they came by night, and compassed the city about. 15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? 16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

    Again, who really knows what he saw [could have been space ships?], but Elisha knew they were there all the time....another reminder of God's omnipresence [sometimes we need the Lord to open our eyes:)].....God bless
     
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    This whole "devil in a spaceship" idea takes the prize for the most absurd and bizarre bit of theology ever. How is anyone ever going to top this one?
     
  15. matt wade

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    Yeah, it's completely wacko to believe that Satan exists and that he does his best to deceive people. That's wacko. Believing in the Bible is wacko.

    Believing in aliens however is a completely rational and sane thing to do.
     
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    The devil doesn't ride a UFO. He drives a Prius.
     
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    Would you believe that the Satanist Aleister Crowley might be responsible for the UFOs that started appearing in mass since 1946? Read this article, it is quite serious.

    http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm
     
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    I thought he drove a '71 Dodge Demon? :laugh:
     
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    The only biblical example of any kind of lit up craft in the sky containing life is Eligah's fiery chariot.

    Perhaps these are angels ?
     
  20. Magnetic Poles

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    Perhaps so. :thumbsup: Or maybe a Pontiac Fiero.
     
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