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Save The U.S. Border Patrol Agents!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by iq4truth, Feb 12, 2007.

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  1. iq4truth

    iq4truth New Member

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    InfoQuest* for Truth Alert:

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif]Contact Congress: Please Convince President Bush to Pardon Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif]The sentencing of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean to prison for 11 and 12 years, respectively, for their attempted arrest of a drug dealer on the U.S./Mexico border is a terrible travesty of Justice. Rep. Tom Tancredo's House Concurrent Resolution 37 (H. Con. Res. 37) is an effort to put Congressional pressure on President Bush to pardon these brave agents. The resolution concludes with these words:[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif]"Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that the President should swiftly and unconditionally pardon Agents Ramos and Compean."[/FONT] ​
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif]The New American and The John Birch Society have been in the forefront of this effort over the past several months. Although the major media have largely ignored this story, in the past few weeks talk-radio and numerous Internet sites have made this a VERY HOT topic. Congress and the White House are under heavy pressure to right this wrong. Now is the time to pour it on. People are rightfully and righteously angry when they learn about what has happened to these agents. Show your friends and associates what they can do to help get a pardon for Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean by forwarding this email alert to them.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica,sans-serif]For background information and updates on the Ramos/Compean case see these articles from The New American:[/FONT]
     
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  2. Petra-O IX

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    Bush will not do anything about the travasty of justice that was done to Ramos and Compean.
    Bush wants open borders and will underhandedly send his appointed goons to punish anyone who does not understand his unspoken orders.
    This matter will have to be handled without the President(much to his shame) but it will serve as a catalyst to have a thorough investigation into the corruptions going on in the Border Patrol.

    Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila has relatives working in the Border Patrol agency.
    The other two agents who testified against Ramos and Compean have been fired for lying in their statements of the incident that happened.
    Something smells fishy all the way around on this case. If Bush fails to act , I hope that proceedings for his impeachment will be implemented.

    Good post iq4truth :thumbs:
     
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  3. El_Guero

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    They committed a felony and tampered
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    with evidence.

    Really good guys.

    I think they should get 60 days in the county jail and be let go.

    But, to reward federal agents for tampering with evidence is a scary precedent.
     
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  4. iq4truth

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    Thanks Petra-O,

    I've seen both good and dirty politicians do the right thing when they get enough pressure. Most of them will do anything to keep their place of power and benefits. I hate to be cynical, but "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely," and I've seen and debated against a lot of corruption. When enough people contact their reps, things can change for the better.

    Christians in politics? The unpopular issue.
     
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  5. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    Since when is acquiting a FELON the right thing?

    That is so wrong on so many levels that I still cannot believe that a CHRISTIAN would partner with such evil.

    FELON . . .

    They did not cover up a traffic violation . . . They covered up a felony.




     
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  6. Petra-O IX

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    BTW, Numbers USA http://www.numbersusa.com/faxes?ID=7315 is a good site to go to to adress this issue of the injustice done to agents Ramos and Compean.

    EG,
    A Border Patrol Supervisor was present and failed to advise agents Ramos and Compean about the crime scene .
    At the most this does not merit more than a five day suspension without pay.
     
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  7. El_Guero

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    I hate to be cynical.

    But, if your doing the right thing is accepted in America today, then God will judge us for the evil that we call good and the good we call evil.

    Yes, power corrupted these men. But, the answer is not for us 'to pressure' the President (or anyone else) to commit the evil of looking the other way.

    Ask for leniency? I can understand that.

    But, to say that they did NOT commit the crime that they were convicted of is just ludicrous.


     
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  8. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    WRONG

    I have been in uniform. There is not a single bit of wiggle room when it comes to a federal agent making a mistake of covering up evidence.

    Period.

    I believe in leniency for these men. They serve in a high pressure job and they made a mistake.

    But, they DID break the law and were convicted of it.



     
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  9. Petra-O IX

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    From Roger Hedgecock http://rogerhedgecock.com/content/view/778/60/:

    This is a stinky smelly mess that can be traced all the way to the top.
     
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    Sadly, I believe you are 100% correct. But at least we can try.:tear:
     
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  12. iq4truth

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    The agents have been punished - the questions are, how much punishment is proper under the circumstances, and, is the system that is punishing them corrupt?

    From Betrayed in the Line of Duty

    Andy Ramirez, chairman of the private, California-based Friends of the Border Patrol, began investigating the Ramos-Compean case shortly after charges were filed in March of 2005. He has since become an official spokesman for the two agents and their families. "This is the greatest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen," Andy Ramirez told The New American. "This drug smuggler has fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: if you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you."

    Ramirez says that when he began his investigation he hadn't ruled out the possibility that the agents were guilty of the crimes as charged. "If these were really bad guys, then obviously, we would want them prosecuted, because it's important to root out corruption, especially in law enforcement agencies like the Border Patrol," he said. "I'm not the least bit interested in protecting corrupt or violent agents." However, he was soon convinced that many things were terribly wrong with this case and that the two agents in question were being railroaded for a political agenda.
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    There was no felony. The felon is Aldrete-Davila, who drove a van into the United States loaded with dope.
    The felons are the Border Patrol agents who lied under oath about what really transpired.
    They should not have been fired.
    They should have been put in jail for perjury, at the least.
    There was no crime being covered.
    Ramos and Compean reported the incident to their supervisor.
    Their supervisor should have put them under administrative leave pending an investigation into the incident.
    If they deserve jail, then so do their supervisor.
     
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    Doesn't anyone know that illegals from south of the border were used over 40 years ago to trim disease from trees in Oregon? They were hired by the US government.

    The US has had a migrant education program in the public schools for the children of illegals for about 30 years.
     
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  15. El_Guero

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    The men were convicted of a felony.

    Asking for leniency is one thing.

    If anyone has proof that these men were innocent and the president of the USA and others were involved in collusion and subversion of the law - then present it in court - not in the court of INTERNET opinions.

    Falsely claiming that politicians were involved in collusion and subversion of the law is evil.

    Isaiah 5:20 20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
     
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  16. Petra-O IX

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    http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_4188.shtml
    The President has had plenty of time to review this case , indeed why should it be so difficult for our President to grant a full pardon to these men.
    I'm not holding my breath expecting Bush to do anything about this travisty of justice. I give Roger Hedgecock plenty of credence in his opinion Bush's actions.
    BTW the alleged bullet that was removed from Davila's posterior rear end did not match the weapon from any of the agent's guns.
     
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  17. JGrubbs

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    Bush will NOT give them a pardon, it would go against his plan to open the borders and create a North American Union. Bush used these guards as a way of sending a message to the rest of the border patrol, "Don't shoot!".
     
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