1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Saved by Baptism

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by tulpje, Jan 23, 2002.

Top Posters
Page 4 of 8
  1. Kellisa

    Kellisa New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2002
    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    0
    tulpje,

    Since Baptism is what saves you, you are saying that the woman I mentioned in the above post is now in heaven because her son poured a glass of water over her head just before she died? Granted she had no idea what was going on but nevertheless she was baptized.

    Just wondering?
     
    #61 Kellisa, Jan 25, 2002
  2. Brother Adam

    Brother Adam New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    4,427
    Likes Received:
    0
    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tulpje:
    Wow! there has been a lot of activity on this post in last few hours. I got lost. It's simple. Baptism saves you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    tulpje, your displaying blind faith here. Much like the Mormon who prefers to believe that the Book of Mormon (Joseph Smith) is scripture, and not be aquainted with the full facts.

    UNP
    Adam
     
    #62 Brother Adam, Jan 25, 2002
  3. Sir Ed

    Sir Ed New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2001
    Messages:
    787
    Likes Received:
    0
    Adam, ever hear the saying "Pot, meet Kettle?" I can just as easily say that your blind faith is in the Church that tells you that 1 Peter doesn't mean what it says.

    BTW: What was your question I didn't answer?

    [ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Sir Ed ]
     
    #63 Sir Ed, Jan 25, 2002
  4. tulpje

    tulpje Guest

    Ummmm.. No, I don't believe in baptism of the dead.
     
    #64 tulpje, Jan 25, 2002
  5. Kellisa

    Kellisa New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2002
    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    0
    She wasn't dead though, she didn't die until later at hospital.
     
    #65 Kellisa, Jan 25, 2002
  6. tulpje

    tulpje Guest

    Killisa, It was Jesus that saved her through his blood. Did she believe?

    tulje
    (little tulip)
     
    #66 tulpje, Jan 25, 2002
  7. Kellisa

    Kellisa New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2002
    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    0
    You said Baptism saves, so what does it really matter if she believed or not? I truly doubt she believed if she lead a life of drunkenness and then ended it by committing suicide by taking sleeping pills.
     
    #67 Kellisa, Jan 25, 2002
  8. tulpje

    tulpje Guest

    Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa..... This is a whole other issue! I'm sorry! If the woman took sleeping pills and comitted suicide, she went to hell cause she had unrepentant sin. the first sin was not havding faith in Christ and the second sin was self murder. she may very well have been saved. That is not the issue at all.
     
    #68 tulpje, Jan 25, 2002
  9. Sir Ed

    Sir Ed New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2001
    Messages:
    787
    Likes Received:
    0
    Kelissa, if our sinful actions are what keep us from Heaven then no one will get there. :(

    [ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Sir Ed ]
     
    #69 Sir Ed, Jan 25, 2002
  10. Kellisa

    Kellisa New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2002
    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sir Ed
    I afraid you have misunderstood me, I don't think it is our sinful actions that keep us from going to heaven - only the rejection of Jesus Christ and his salvation offered freely to all (well in a sense that is our sinful actions, but not like you thought I meant).

    [ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Kellisa ]
     
    #70 Kellisa, Jan 25, 2002
  11. Brother Adam

    Brother Adam New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    4,427
    Likes Received:
    0
    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tulpje:
    Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa..... This is a whole other issue! I'm sorry! If the woman took sleeping pills and comitted suicide, she went to hell cause she had unrepentant sin. the first sin was not havding faith in Christ and the second sin was self murder. she may very well have been saved. That is not the issue at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    :confused: :confused: :confused:
     
    #71 Brother Adam, Jan 25, 2002
  12. Eladar

    Eladar New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2001
    Messages:
    3,012
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think the problem is miscommunication.

    I don't believe anyone is saying that baptism itself will save anything. I believe the infant baptism group see baptism as opening the door to possible salvation.

    If you are not baptized, then salvation is not possible. If you are baptized, then salvation is possible, if you accept Jesus as Lord and do the Will of God.

    In other words, baptism saves from an Arminian perspective.(correct me if I'm wrong)
     
    #72 Eladar, Jan 25, 2002
  13. Sir Ed

    Sir Ed New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2001
    Messages:
    787
    Likes Received:
    0
    Tuor, If you are not baptized, then salvation is still possible. No where does Scripture say that God limits himself to just Baptism.
     
    #73 Sir Ed, Jan 25, 2002
  14. tulpje

    tulpje Guest

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyfree432:


    :confused: :confused: :confused:    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    My wife and I moved to Florida from Wisconsin. Florida is a highly Baptist area. One of the questions we get asked often is where in scripture does it say that people who commit suicide are going to eternal damnation/hell? Of course "Thou shalt not Kill", but they ask what if the person asks for forgiveness right before the suicide. I would like to quote passages. I use Judas's example, but the language is not there. Please help.
    There is no statement in Scripture that explicitly states, in so many words, that people who commit suicide are damned.

    When God forbids murder, he forbids self-murder as well as the unauthorized taking of someone else's life. Suicide, in short, is sin. Like all sin, it leads to eternal damnation or hell if not accompanied by repentance that includes reliance on the substitutionary work of Christ. It is thus fully damnable (when accompanied by impenitence) and fully forgivable (when accompanied by saving faith).

    Under normal circumstances it is assumed that the suicide is a fruit of unbelief and despair, so very little hope can be entertained regarding the spiritual state of the self-murderer. It is an act that is incompatible with Christian faith and the fruits of faith. The seriousness and sadness of the situation is compounded since suicide normally leaves little or no time for conscious repentance and a trusting return to the promises of our dear Savior. To assume that one who intentionally kills himself is nevertheless saved is therefore presumptuous.

    From www.wels.net Q&A

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    #74 tulpje, Jan 25, 2002
  15. Brother Adam

    Brother Adam New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    4,427
    Likes Received:
    0
    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sir Ed:
    Adam, ever hear the saying "Pot, meet Kettle?" I can just as easily say that your blind faith is in the Church that tells you that 1 Peter doesn't mean what it says.

    BTW: What was your question I didn't answer?

    [ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Sir Ed ]    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hi Kettle- how are you? ;)

    "On the contrary, I disagree with your blatent disregard for taking scripture in context.

    Equally as much I could say to you that woman are SAVED by giving birth to children. After all that is what scripture says right?"
     
    #75 Brother Adam, Jan 25, 2002
  16. Brother Adam

    Brother Adam New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    4,427
    Likes Received:
    0
    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tulpje:


    "My wife and I moved to Florida from Wisconsin"    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Mary, for a minute there I was about to get really scared ;) :D :eek:
     
    #76 Brother Adam, Jan 25, 2002
  17. tulpje

    tulpje Guest

    I would like o point out that it took the wells Q&A 3 long paragraphs to say what it took me one itty bitty paragraph to say hehe

    tulpje
    (little tulip)
     
    #77 tulpje, Jan 25, 2002
  18. Sir Ed

    Sir Ed New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2001
    Messages:
    787
    Likes Received:
    0
    Adam, I think I no what verse you are referring to but could you give me a book and chapter. Gracias.

    Tulpj, to assume that one who intentionally kills himself is not saved is just as presumptuous.
     
    #78 Sir Ed, Jan 25, 2002
  19. tulpje

    tulpje Guest

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyfree432:


    Mary, for a minute there I was about to get really scared ;) :D :eek:    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    hahahahaha
     
    #79 tulpje, Jan 25, 2002
  20. Brother Adam

    Brother Adam New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Messages:
    4,427
    Likes Received:
    0
    If possible please let's move a discussion on suicide to another thread. This one is about baptism. Thank you.

    UNP
    Adam
     
    #80 Brother Adam, Jan 25, 2002
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 4 of 8
Loading...