Saved or Being Saved

I'm really not trying to confuse between the meaning of 'being confident' and 'being saved'. I am trying to give examples of how 'being' can mean the same as 'are'.

'Saved' is an adjective in this CONTEXT

Here in 1 Co 1:18, 1 Co 15:2, and 2 Co 2:15; the KJVs say the same message as the MVs

I am saved & Askjo is saved,
We (the total Church of Messiah Jesus) are being saved

 

Not in this context. It is in contrast to the group of people who are "perishing".

The "being saved" refers to the collection of individuals who have been, are being and will be saved. The "us" refers not to any singular identity of and process of personal salvation within that group.

It means the same as saying that each of us are part of the growing group (His Church) of those whom the Lord is actively saving (He is causing the "process" of the promise "I will build my church").

We are all completely saved, but His Church is still growing because the ones whom He is saving are constantly being added to it.

A bit clumsy perhaps in modern English but a better representation of the participle.

But and in fact IMO, it would have been better if the 1769 version tense had been retained for the sake of understandability.

HankD

 

Discern between sanctification and salvation please.

 

So you believe God can say something and it's up to man to distinguish what He said even if it is contrary to what He said.

"God speaketh with forked tongue", said Ed.

If they are both right how is it they differ from one another when the words were spoken independently of the alter meaning?

The serpent replied unto Eve, "Hath God said?"

 

:laugh:

Is NOT! It's the past perfect tense of "save"

Yeah, sometimes the mv's do align with the word of God, funny ain't it!

Nope, the Bride of Christ is being called out and anyone in the Bride is already SAVED!

Now in certain contexts, "being saved" is preventative measures in action to cause one to avoid the pitfalls of sin and keep away from the snares of the devil being alert and wise to his wiles: it's called the active form of prudence!

Amazing the misconceptions culminated when the mv's are consulted.

 

Ed Edwards: // 'Saved' is an adjective in this CONTEXT //


He whose name I'm not allowed to use: // Is NOT! It's the past perfect tense of "save" //

This argument reminds me of a scripture:

Rom 16:17-18 (KJV1611 Edition):
Now I beseech you, brethren, marke them which cause diuisions and offences, contrary to the doctrine which ye haue learned, and auoide them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such, serue not our Lord Iesus Christ, but their owne belly, and by good wordes and faire speeches deceiue the hearts of the simple.

1 Co 2:4 (KJV1611 Edition):
And my speech, and my preaching was not with entising words of mans wisedome, but in demonstration of the Spirit, and of power:

Yep, it was Ed that talked about the NIV, my soul-winning Bible, instead of arguing which part of speech a word might be. I'll stick with my saving Bible instead of the dividing Bible.

 

John, will you elaborate please? I'm having difficultly understanding how a Greek Present Tense can grammatically be properly represented by an English word with the -ed ending (indicating Past Tense).

 

Well, there is the "historical present" in Greek wherein a narrative is given in the present tense when it occurred in the past. But this case is different. The "-ed" in English does not always represent a past action or condition. It can represent a present reality. So someone stranded on a desert island, seeing a ship come, might say, "We're saved!"

 

I don't know what your crypto-gram means.

1Co 14:8 (KJV1611 Edition):
For if the trumpet giue an vncertaine sound, who shall prepare himselfe to the battell?

sanctification is one type of salvation - the continual day-to-day salvation. As all 'salvation' Jesus controls the sanctification.

 

John of Japan: // The "-ed" in English does not always represent a past action or condition. It can represent a present reality. //

Then the word with '-ed' is an adjective.

 

Yes, as in "He is a saved man," describing his present condition due to a past event. An -ed word can be a participle, and a participle is a verbal adjective. Don't you just love this English language!

 

Yep, I love the English language, the English language is my Gateway to the very WORD OF GOD.

Of course, I believe that the Word of God in English (the only language I read) is lavishly available in over a dozen different KJVs and these versions less than 15 years old:

NLT
NASB
HCSB
etc.

Also My pastor has a Bachelor's Degree in English (OBU = Oklahoma's BEST University, AKA; Oklahoma Baptist University) and a
Master's Degree in preaching (S/W Theological Seminary).

I'm a retired enginumneer - I can't spell nuthin' write

 

But I betcha can draw good! :laugh:

 

Them engineers just have to make things rite after they draw them, write? :laugh:

 

Token 'on topic' reply :saint:

Would that be 'draw' or 'being drawn'?

 

In Tennessee we would say "done been drawn." :laugh:

 

In Kentucky, it's "dun bin drewd."

 

Strangely, in English 'verbal' has little to do with 'verb'.

\o/ Praise Iesus, Sonne of God \o/ ​

 

I thought I had already posted this answer but I don't see it, so...

It's not a question of a personal process of salvation on our part but a fulfillment of Christ promise to build His Church.

"Being saved" is a present participle in the koine.
Jesus Christ is presently filling His Church(es) with those whom He has saved.

That is the process that is on-going. People are being saved by grace through faith daily and are being added to the Church.

This is the force of the participle.

HankD

 

So, are the Greek forms of sozo in these three example verses used as a verb, or as a participle?