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SBC president has a female minister on staff.

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by csl, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. Mexdeaf

    Mexdeaf New Member

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    That is true in my home church which happens to be IFB. The lady's title is a little different, they call her 'Director of Christian Education', but that is pretty much what she does.
     
  2. gb93433

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    I would not so much call it compromise as laziness. The saying, "If you want to get something done ask the busiest person because he will find a way to do it," still holds true. It was amazing to me how many lazy men who only worked 8 hours each day could not find a way to get any work done. Yet I was self employed and most of the time worked 11 hours each day and found time to disciple people. In the first churhc I pastored a number of the women complained about how the men did little. So I started asking men to go with me to visit people and do other kinds of ministry. It was amazing the number of excuses I would get from the men the day before or the same day we were scheduled to do something. Simply put they were cowards and lacked boldness. They could help to make babies, but were not men. Once they got past the excuses and cowardice then they began to be leaders in the church, and husbands and fathers in their homes.
     
  3. mcdirector

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    I have been on staff in SBC churches with that very title - Director. Actually, I have that title now as a volunteer. I've had that title as a paid staffer. I wouldn't/couldn't accept a position with the title minister. My pastor has always been a guy. :thumbs:
     
  4. TCGreek

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    1. I really think you have said it all.

    2. This issue is a theological one and begs the question, Are we prepared to deal it biblically, while remaining relevant to the world around us?
     
  5. gb93433

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    That is the issue. I am confident that if 100% of the pastors in America started holding people accountable for practicing their faith we would probably have a lot of pseudo-Christianity revealed and a lot of the so called Christians would feel so uncomfortable that they would stand on end like a viper and force the pastors out. When that happens then perhaps those who are not Christians might take notice.
     
  6. EdSutton

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    All I can say is "You started it." :rolleyes:

    Ed
     
  7. Jimmy C

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    Lets remember Frank Pages church is a SBC church. The SBC spends hundreds of thousands of dollars per year educating women to be education ministers, adult education ministers, youth ministers and childrens ministers. The also graduate many women with PhDs who will teach those subjects in SBC schools as well as non SBC schools.

    The SBCs only prohibition against women is in the role of senior pastor, the other ministers/directors work under the authority of their pastors.

    If you are an SBCer and wind up in a chuch with a woman minister and that offends you (for whatever reason) go down the street or find an IFB church that suits you.

    I personally have been blessed by different woman ministers that I have come in contact with over the years - in fact one of the best youth ministers that we have had at our church was a woman, she truly challenged our youth to deeper Bible study and encouraged our adults to disciple them - several kids from that youth group went on to full time Christian service
     
  8. EdSutton

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    Well, I would, but here in my area I'll run across three more So. Baptist churches, on the same street, before I get to the IFB one that you recommended. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
  9. Baptist Believer

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    I don't know what you are comparing (that is, “both ways”). Are you suggesting it is impossible to be a follower of Christ while disagreeing with the current direction of the SBC and the foolishly limited labels of “liberal” and “conservative”?


    I’m pretty sure you know very little about my “ideas for the church.”


    And what makes you believe I don’t?


    Yep. Your answer astounds me.
     
  10. Baptist Believer

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    I just double-checked it. It is (and has been) fully up-to-date.

    What makes you think it isn't?
     
  11. Cutter

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    BB, The teachings of Christ and His Word forbid women in pastoral roles, a position you seem to be defending. I am not that big of a fan of the SBC myself, so don't think I have a problem with you or anyone else disagreeing with the policies and statements of the SBC.
     
  12. gb93433

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    They do not either and spend a lot of time fighting each other.
     
  13. Baptist Believer

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    Actually, I have much more of an issue with the 2000 BF&M ignoring the explicit biblical command in Ephesians 5:21 for each one (including husbands) to submit to the other (including wives) in favor of the position where the wife submits to the husband, but the husband does not submit to the wife.

    I think the problem comes in when we read the Ephesians 5 passage to find out "who is in charge?" instead of having the mindset of Christ and instead asking "how do I relate to others in humility and service?"

    The role of women in vocational leadership in the church is a much more complicated issue and there is lots of room for disagreement on the subject... although I feel confident you will disagree with that point-of-view. You could at least realize that those who don't agree with you might actually have thought and studied the issue quite a bit and have just come to a different conclusion.

    Then why the personal attack?
     
  14. Cutter

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    Sorry if you took it personally.
     
  15. Baptist Believer

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    I'm not sure how else to take a statement like this:

    "If you guys cared about His teachings you would follow them yourselves."

    Oh well...
     
  16. charles_creech78

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    Amen I am with you on this. You are not alone.
     
  17. Mexdeaf

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    Well, I read your statement, "I am no longer a Southern Baptist..." and was wondering what you were and your profile says, ' Texas Baptist (BGCT)', which I was pretty sure is an SBC affiliate group. If I am wrong, I apologize for my ignorance and may God bless.
     
  18. Cutter

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    Oh yeah. It's hard to remember everything that I post. Me thinks I misunderstood your first post I responded to.
     
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  19. charles_creech78

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    I just thank if they go to the bible on this they should find a answer.
     
  20. tinytim

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    as too the OP.... SO?

    Are you a member of that church... if not, the church is autonomous, and no other church has a right to tell it how to function...
     
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