scenario number one

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  1. massdak

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    God loves you dear sinner, He has a plan for your life let Him help straighten out your life, He can change things for you and bring you to a better place in your life open up the door to your heart He wants to come in, please do not let this opportunity pass make a decision for Christ.

    is this good witnessing or trash?

    scenario two

    Gods wrath is upon sinners if you believe yourself to be a sinner then your standing with God is severe. God will judge sinful man and He will surely cast them into Hell read romans about the condition of all men. in fact man is a natural enemy to God, man is mostly indifferent to even consider God most of the time. Salvation from hell is of the Lord and only one name under heaven is given read act 4:12 if you believe yourself to be a lost sinner with no way that you can remedy the situation on your own, then flee to the crucified Savior as revealed in the scriptures how He died according to the scriptures and was buried and rose the third day according to the scriptures. believe on the Lord Jesus.

    is this a good witness or trash?
     
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    History shows that both can be effective means to witness to the lost.

    God can use both methods to reach His lost sheep.

    Rob
     
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    I choose #2.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  4. Daniel David

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    Option 1 isn't even the gospel.
     
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    Option #1 is similar to "law 1" of the old favorite "Four Spiritual Laws" tract

    Option #2 is like "Law #2 and #3

    Rob
     
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    Two sides of the same coin. You are saved FROM something AND you are saved TO something. Leave out one side and you don't really have a whole coin.
    [​IMG]Heads you win, tails you win......now that's a good coin.
     
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    #2 is Law & Gospel. #1 is easy believism and a simplistic syrupy drivvel.

    Right now only 1/64 people alive claim to be "born again by faith alone". What they have in store is the wrath of God on sin and eternal hell.

    "Something good is going to happen to you" is pretty lousy witness, Oral.
     
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    #1 is not the complete Gospel. Unless more information is given then Dr. Bob is right. To often we promise the world (literaly) in order to draw people to Christ and that is not enough of the gospel for people to make a real descision to accept Christ.
     
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    After rereading scenerio one I don't believe it is even any part of the coin. With its goal of improving circumstances in this life it seems to be at odds with the gospel.
     
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    scenario one is how many churches are using that type of gospel in the building they have for that purpose.
     
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    thats in interesting statement dr bob.
    do you think that preaching the gospel is also preaching the law first? in other words is the full gospel, preaching law then Christ?
     
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    Fully convinced of that, Nasdaq, er Massdak (I always think of the stock exchange when I see your name!)

    Without Law and the subsequent knowledge of sin, there can be no repentance. And without repentance, you have a virulent form of easy believism that is NOT the "Gospel". IT is man-centric and focused on a "work" of believing.

    We need to see folks like the jailor in Philippi - come trembling in guilt and sin and fear of the judgment that awaits and then show them how to "believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ, and be delivered".
     
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    Both scenerios would be worth less than a real tract. I'm obviously wishing I could delete my first post above. [​IMG]

    I agree that the first scenerio is not the gospel, but it may draw some to find out more about what real life is though. Jesus comes to us so lovingly too...
    Even the second scenerio would probably not be an effective witness to the unsaved without more interaction taking place.

    Rob
     
  14. massdak

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    what about the power of the Gospel in Gods word?
    isnt that the power of salvation? man can only give the gospel and compel one to trust in Christ so as to let their faith rest only on Christ.
     
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    Well that just brings us back to my first post that I just disavowed. I'm going nuts...
    Rob
     
  16. massdak

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    that is an interesting concept but the first scenario was not the gospel.
     

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