Scientist Says Al Gore's Arguments "Pathetic"

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    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

    Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe
    "The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists

    By Tom Harris
    Monday, June 12, 2006

    EXCERPT

    "Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

    Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

    But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

    No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.
     
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    Tom Harris bought and paid for

    [FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times]Excerpted from the The Hamilton Spectator
    Thu 21 Mar 2002
    Forum, p. A15
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    [FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times]Climate skeptic’ misinterprets global warming[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times]
    [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times]by John Bennett

    I’m not a scientist nor a climatologist. I am, I hope, a well informed concerned citizen, and as such I was enraged by an article by Tom Harris published by The Spectator on Feb. 12 (The dogma of ‘global warming’: CO2 link with climate change is still uncertain).

    I was so enraged that for the first time in my life I called the Forum page editor to complain because the article was full of misinformation designed to mislead the reader. This article is the result of that conversation.

    Harris is not a climate scientist. He is what is known as a “climate skeptic.” I spoke to Henry Hengveld, Environment Canada’s top climatologist, about climate skeptics and their counter theories of ice ages and improved plant growth. He told me that by and large they are not climatologists and they do not submit their studies to be peer reviewed by other experts in the field.

    Harris uses two techniques. He quotes people whose titles suggest they are experts in the field when they are not and he cites studies out of context, drawing incorrect conclusions. His lineup of experts sounded impressive: Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Richard Lindzen, Dr. Willie Soon of Harvard and geologist Tim Patterson of Carleton University. None are climatologists.

    Lindzen told Ross Gelbspan, author of The Heat Is On (Perseus Books 1997), that he charges $2,500 a day to consult for fossil fuel companies. His trip to Washington to testify before Al Gore’s committee on climate change was paid for by Western Fuels — a coal mining company. He is a paid lobbyist for the fossil fuel industry.

    I had never heard of Willie Soon or Climate Research magazine. I did an Internet search on Climate Research magazine — every reputable scientific publication has a Web site. I expected hundreds of hits. I got three. All were articles by Harris, Soon and Tim Patterson, the geologist from Carleton University. In fact, one article was co-authored by Harris and Patterson.

    Harris also refers to a petition signed by 17,000 scientists. It sounds impressive. But it is a crock and has been effectively dismissed. To qualify as scientist all that was required was a B.Sc. degree. How did it come about?

    In the spring of 1998, mailboxes of U.S. university graduates were flooded with packets from the “Global Warming Petition Project.” The packets included a reprint of a Wall Street Journal op-ed with the headline “Science has spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth,” a copy of a faux scientific article claiming that “increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide have no deleterious effects upon global climate,” a short letter signed by U.S. National Academy of Sciences, past-president Frederick Seitz, and a short petition calling for the rejection of the Kyoto Protocol on the grounds that a reduction in carbon dioxide “would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.”

    The sponsor, the little-known Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, tried to beguile unsuspecting scientists into believing that this packet had originated from the National Academy of the Sciences (NAS), both by referencing Seitz’s past involvement with the NAS and with an article formatted to look as if it was a published article in the Academy’s Proceedings, which it was not. The NAS quickly distanced itself from the petition project, issuing a statement saying, “the petition does not reflect the conclusions of expert reports of the academy.”

    The most enraging method Harris uses is misinterpreting the work of real scientists. He does this when he refers to professor Jan Veizer of the University of Ottawa. The professor’s study was published in a scientific journal last winter and was picked up by the media as evidence that proved the climate change theory wrong. The media did not ask the professor.

    When the CBC did, he said he believes human-induced climate-change theory was not affected by his findings and that he was distressed by the media reports that misinterpreted his work.

    Yet, a year later here is Harris continuing to misuse Veizer’s work. Harris commits this folly again when he refers to media reports of ice thickening in Antarctica. Scientists studying a glacier in Antarctica published a report in a scientific journal saying it was getting thicker. The media jumped on it as proof climate change is not happening. The media mistakenly equated the phenomenon studied by Joughin and Tulaczyk — a change in ice flow rates — with ice melting rates. The mistake contributed to the erroneous belief that the studies constituted, as it were, scientific “tests” of the global warming theory.

    The headline in the National Post declared: “Antarctic ice sheet has stopped melting, study finds.” “The ice sheet growth that we have documented in our study area has absolutely nothing to do with any recent climate trends,” Tulaczyk declared. Again, newspapers did not talk to Tulaczyk before drawing conclusions from his work. Harris then argues that we have no alternatives to fossil fuels. While no technology can replace all fossil fuels immediately, and environmentalists have not suggested it could, we can move to a more sustainable energy system. Renewables are part of the solution, but the greatest and quickest gains can be made through conservation and efficiency.

    Right now, the federal and provincial governments are calculating the economic impact of the Kyoto Protocol on Canada. New work is required because Canada won significant concessions in the rules of the protocol in 2001. These concessions will make it easier to meet the Kyoto target.

    Harris opened his article by saying we are about to see a propaganda campaign by environmentalists. In fact, his article coincided with U.S. President George W. Bush’s announcement and Alberta Premier Ralph Klein’s media stunt in Moscow. I would suggest if there is a propaganda campaign, Harris is part of it. The most significant thing Prime Minister Jean Chrétien can do this year is ratify the Kyoto Protocol. We should support him in making this decision.


    John Bennett is director, atmosphere and energy, for the Ottawa- based Sierra Club of Canada and director of the Climate Action Network of Canada.[/FONT]
     
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    oh! you mean tha kyoto proticol that Bill Clinton would not agree to retify.

    Global Warming! What a joke!

    A 1 degree raise in temperature over a 100 year span. Not even the epa is willing to say that it is anything more than a theory.
     
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    Meantime, the Anarctic ice sheets continue to melt, mountain glaciers at low latitudes are disappearing, and pack ice is now so rare that Canadian polar bears are raiding trash cans because they can't hunt.

    Oh, and it's "just a joke."

    Scientists aren't laughing. Neither are people on the Gulf Coast. Hurricanes are more frequent and nastier, and insurance rates are going up, because insurance companies can't make a profit at former rates.

    But it's "just a joke."

    That's a lot of "joke" for a 1 degree increase...
     
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    And Alaska used to be tropical. What's your point? No one's denying that worldwide temperatures are cyclical in nature, but to suggest that man can cause it is quite pompous.
     
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    reason for change is immaterial

    The reason for the change is immaterial. If it a natural cycle then it is even more important that we compensate for the comming change by moving inland and building more water storage facilities.
     
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    Why move inland?
     
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    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
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    "As Steven Guilbeault of Greenpeace explained, "global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter." No set of facts can disprove the environmentalists' secular religion. In 2004, former vice president Al Gore gave a speech on global warming in New York City on the coldest day of the year. Warm trends prove global warming. Cold trends also prove global warming. This is the philosophy of a madman."

    Ann Coulter

     
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    Thirty years ago the warnings were that we were about to enter a new ice age.
     
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    And ozone depletion became a pop culture sin because of an episode of All in the Family where 'the meathead' is arguing against the idea of having children because "in another 10 or 15 years there won't be anything left of the ozone layer." This was 1975.
     
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    Coulter would qualify to understand the mind of a someone who is mad alright. BTW, I saw anorexic Ann on the tonight show.
     
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    So far, the most-accepted model has been succesful in predicting the changes seen so far.

    Drier in the nation's center, hotter weather and more severe storms.

    First melting in glaciers at low latitudes, then at higher latitudes.
     
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    It used to be close to the equator, too.

    The early effects predicted by the model are now happening. Too late to put your head in the sand.

    Turns out that global warming the the last few hundred years nicely fits the increase in CO2. Which we do cause.
     
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    The CO2 put out by Pinatubo completely dwarfed what man could put out. Ban volcanoes!

    Study a physics text: Melting glaciers, icebergs, ice caps, does not mean rising seas, it simply means less ice.
     
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    A earth rendering volcano like the one in the Philippine and one day in Yellowstone Wyoming does cause a spike but it dissipates and it is not consistent in the amount we put into the air at a constant basis...so hope of glory ..yeah by all means open up a book.

    The debate is over we are part of the problem and solution to global warming...now the big oil will take the tack of big cigarettes and obfuscate for years and fund...intelligent design style hits pieces that are full of made up experts and bought off ones.

    A major volcano will cause a temporary cooling but then you are back on track with the massive amounts of c02 we put in the biosphere ..in fact they might balance each other out temporarily...but the Global warming model would kick in again since it owns the scale and not the eruption which is a spike for a year or two.

    and keep in mind we are destroying the co2 breathers..such as forests in massive swathes and not replenishing what we take out...with wal-mart style sprawl.

    another good reason to support arbor day and plant a tree. imho

    really the debate is over and those who are solution oriented will lead the way and not the bought off and ideologues driven naysayers who want to go back and tell the world the earth is flat...their day is a minority opinion an very minute one...they have nothing to add and no solutions they are the cynical ones.
     
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    Maybe you need to go back to high school. Of course the melting of the Arctic ice will raise the level of the sea. If you don't believe me, take a glass of salt water and put some fresh water ice cubes in the glass and measure the level of the water. Then when the cubes have melted measure the level and see if the melting cubes haven't caused the level to rise.

    http://www.physorg.com/news5619.html
     
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    Does ice exposed to cold, dry air evaporate?
     
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    quote from Terry's link [emphasis mine]

    This article is saying that the seas could rise an entire 1.57 inches. I don't guess my mountain property is going to become beach front any time soon.
     

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