Scores In Congress Protest North American Union Agenda

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  1. poncho

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    22 Congressmen write to President in opposition to SPP as secret Montabello confab begins.

    As a secretive "Security and Prosperity Partnership" (SPP) meeting between the Mexican, Canadian and U.S. heads of states begins this week in Quebec, 22 members of the House of Representatives have put their names to a letter to president Bush demanding their concerns be heeded and that the administration back off the stealth program.

    "As you travel to Montebello, Canada later this month for a summit with your Canadian and Mexican counterparts, we want you to be aware of serious and growing concerns in the U.S. Congress about the so-called Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) you launched with these nations in 2005," the letter said. ​


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    Looks as if another great "conspiracy theory" is quickly becoming a conspiracy fact.

    Will the unitary decider decide to ignore congress and attempt to further subjugate U.S. sovereignty by stealth and deception?
     
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    I see Tancredo, my main man, is on that list.

    Also, Duncan Hunter, who polls tell me is my main man.

    But where is Dr. Ron Paul ? I'm very suprised to see him missing.
     
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    Proposals for a North American Union have been public knowledge for years.

    Hardly a "conspiracy theory" come true.:rolleyes:
     
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    I'm not sure why Paul isn't on the letter. Perhaps, it is because he wrote his letter(s) a year ago back when the NAU was considered to be a conspiracy theory.

    A North American United Nations?

    Here's Paul in October of '06...
    The NAFTA Superhighway

    And here's an interview that is a bit more recent...
    Paul says merger plans must be derailed

    He may not have got his name on this letter but he's been one of the most outspoken congressional opponents of the NAU.
     
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    Just noting it, I'm aware, having looked into voting for Stan Jones, about Dr. Paul's writings......

    Also, if you go thru the years of posts, you'll not find me in disagreement with youse on this one.
     
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    Well that may be true of conspiracy theorists like you and I Carpro. However, do you remember this poll created in January?...

    View Poll Results: North American Union. Real or fantasy?
    Absolutely this will happen 2 5.88%
    Probably will occur 5 14.71%
    Maybe, Maybe Not 11 32.35%
    Doubt it 8 23.53%
    Ridiculous Conspiracy Theory 8 23.53%

    (Source: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=36305&highlight=North+American)

    It's good to have another contender in the fight to wake up some folks. :thumbsup:
     
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    I have no dispute with you there. Where we are disconnected is in how this action is related to the war on "terror".
     
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    One more thing. General rant not necessarily directly related to the thread.

    Notice these telling words...
    ...since the NAU is no longer in the category of conspiracy theory, where are Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage on this issue? The only one I've heard of talking about such matters is Lou Dobbs.

    Notice what "conservative" talk show host Michael Medved has called those of us trying to warn the American people...

    This is the type of venom that is spewed from neo-conservative radio and television talk show hosts, whenever someone tries to give an argument supported by something outside of the mainstream "facts". Thus, I pray folks will become very discerning about where they are getting their information.
     
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    I don't know about Limbaugh or Hannity, but Laura Ingraham mentioned it this morning, and it sounded, to me, like she's on yer bus. Also, Glenn Beck has been doing his share of yelling about this, I think he's #3 on the morning radio circuit.
     
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    Well, that's something I guess.

    I know neither of them support Ron Paul. Do they support Tancredo or Hunter at all?
     
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    Glenn Beck re-arranged his entire guest schedule to accomodate Dr. Paul, and got stiffed, without even a phone call, he handled it quite well, asking an empty podium the questions he had for him. But no, Beck is not a big Ron Paul fan. He does have Tancredo on. Ingraham likes Tancredo, but he's apparently not catholic enough for her, he lacks the support she throws behind Guliani.

    Let's hope that some questions are allowed at these debates.
     
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    He is so much not a fan that when Ron Paul wins his poll he changes the totals and then removes his name on future polls...sounds like the PajamasMedia modus operandi.

    That's curious considering Tancredo and Hunter are on the right side of the NAU thing. Meanwhile, Bracewell and Giuliani is the law firm representing Cintra. Cintra is the Spanish (as in Spain) organization that was given the TTC contracts. Sounds like she's opposed to the NAU but promotes a candidate who is in favor of the NAU.
     
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    Laura sees everything thru the prism of the R.C.C.

    Got any proof Glenn Beck skews his polls ?
     
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    At least she's less subtile than some of the others, I doubt that's something Hannity would admit.

    See the poll in the lower right...anyone you know missing from it?
    http://www.glennbeck.com/home/index.shtml

    Here's a screen shot of what it looked like prior to Beck taking Paul's name off...
    http://questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com/2007/05/ron-paul-leads-glen-beck-poll.html


    Glenn Beck snubs Ron Paul in on-line poll, again


    Glenn Beck Disappears Ron Paul


    ...and not poll related but just for the fun of it...
     
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    This is from one of your links....

    Listening to Glenn Beck is like a box of chocolates. Lately, you never know what you’re going to get. Sometimes he is such a frustrating simpleton and other times I’m yelling, ”Yeah! You da man Beck!”

    That about sums up Glenn Beck.

    OK, it looks like he really doesn't care a bit about Ron Paul.

    The youtube thing ? Eh. I don't see anything overtly nasty, or misleading.

    I don't think polls are useful, because of the evidence you have posted. Beck doesn't help things with his actions.
     
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    However.....

    NO talk show host that I know of has taken as many shots at Bush concerning the jailed border guards as Beck has.
     
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    There is no "theory" involved. It's a fact. There have been those espousing a united North America for many years.

    Secret meetings that are not secret are no theory. They're a demonstrable fact.

    The only thing we don't know is exactly what the plans are of the attendees, except to discuss the feasability and possibly to strategize.

    Your real problem is you want to know who said what and exactly what their plans are.

    Whatever they are, they will become apparent. This "union" cannot be accomplished in secret.

    So, you can only "theorize" about how and when. Go ahead, I'll leave that to "experts" :laugh: like you and poncho.
     
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    As I have indicated, I did not believe this matter to be a secret conspiracy theory. However, on this board I was mocked and ridiculed and this matter was considered to be a "tin foil hat" thing.

    However, I'm grateful to be associated with someone like yourself who is aware of the North American Union effort. I will presume that since you are aware of this matter then you are aware too of how it got started in Waco (likely started before then but Waco was a milestone) and who the participants were that initiated this action.

    If the development of the NAU without congressional oversight and without the input of the people, is used as a means to undermine USA sovereignty and its Constitution...if this is considered to be treasonous, then I pray that you will agree that all participants in such activities must thus be traitors.
     
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    Treason being strictly defined as:

    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

    It appears there is no case for treason. War is not being levied against the U.S. by either Mexico or Canada and neither could be considered "enemies".

    Your concern appears to be well founded, but over-reacting does not help your case. This cannot come about "secretly". Consent of the people through Congress would be required. Vigilance is key.
     
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    It is a tinfoil hat thing when it is presented as a real threat.
     

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