24 He that spareth his ROD hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Pr 19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying Pr 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. 14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Pr 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. I have recently accused that I am a violent person who promotes violence against children. I was also told that there is an alternative to chastening a child. I have seen children who could have been named OSAMA. The violence that is purveyed by untrained, unloved, unchastened children is worse than a little "lickin" on the rump with a paddle. Are we out of place and out of time just because we want to train our children with love and fear? Does the Bible still have authority in the area of childrearing? Thanks ----Bart ....pray hard and gently squeeze the trigger.