Recently our esteemed moderator claimed that hardening was not spoken of much in scripture as some kind of a defense for his inability to deal with the problems it creates for his system: Let's just see if that is true: harden Ex 4:21 - Show Context And the Lord said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. Ex 7:3 - Show Context And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. Ex 14:4 - Show Context Then I will harden Pharaoh's heart, so that he will pursue them; and I will gain honor over Pharaoh and over all his army, that the Egyptians may know that I am the Lord." And they did so. Ex 14:17 - Show Context And I indeed will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them. So I will gain honor over Pharaoh and over all his army, his chariots, and his horsemen. De 15:7 - Show Context "If there is among you a poor man of your brethren, within any of the gates in your land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart nor shut your hand from your poor brother, Jos 11:20 - Show Context For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them, and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them, as the Lord had commanded Moses. 1Sa 6:6 - Show Context Why then do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? When He did mighty things among them, did they not let the people go, that they might depart? Job 38:30 - Show Context The waters harden like stone, And the surface of the deep is frozen. Ps 95:8 - Show Context "Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion, As in the day of trial in the wilderness, Heb 3:8 - Show Context Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness, Heb 3:15 - Show Context while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion." Heb 4:7 - Show Context again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts." hardened Reverse Sort | Next 20 Ex 8:15 - Show Context But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and did not heed them, as the Lord had said. Ex 8:32 - Show Context But Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also; neither would he let the people go. Ex 9:12 - Show Context But the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh; and he did not heed them, just as the Lord had spoken to Moses. Ex 9:34 - Show Context And when Pharaoh saw that the rain, the hail, and the thunder had ceased, he sinned yet more; and he hardened his heart, he and his servants. Ex 10:1 - Show Context Now the Lord said to Moses, "Go in to Pharaoh; for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his servants, that I may show these signs of Mine before him, Ex 10:20 - Show Context But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go. Ex 10:27 - Show Context But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go. Ex 11:10 - Show Context So Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh; and the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go out of his land. Ex 14:8 - Show Context And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued the children of Israel; and the children of Israel went out with boldness. De 2:30 - Show Context But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass through, for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, that He might deliver him into your hand, as it is this day. 1Sa 6:6 - Show Context Why then do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? When He did mighty things among them, did they not let the people go, that they might depart? 2Ch 36:13 - Show Context And he also rebelled against King Nebuchadnezzar, who had made him swear an oath by God; but he stiffened his neck and hardened his heart against turning to the Lord God of Israel. Ne 9:16 - Show Context "But they and our fathers acted proudly, Hardened their necks, And did not heed Your commandments. Ne 9:17 - Show Context They refused to obey, And they were not mindful of Your wonders That You did among them. But they hardened their necks, And in their rebellion They appointed a leader To return to their bondage. But You are God, Ready to pardon, Gracious and merciful, Slow to anger, Abundant in kindness, And did not forsake them. Job 9:4 - Show Context God is wise in heart and mighty in strength. Who has hardened himself against Him and prospered? Isa 63:17 - Show Context O Lord, why have You made us stray from Your ways, And hardened our heart from Your fear? Return for Your servants' sake, The tribes of Your inheritance. Da 5:20 - Show Context But when his heart was lifted up, and his spirit was hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him. Mr 6:52 - Show Context For they had not understood about the loaves, because their heart was hardened. Mr 8:17 - Show Context But Jesus, being aware of it, said to them, "Why do you reason because you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive nor understand? Is your heart still hardened? Joh 12:40 - Show Context "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them." Ac 19:9 - Show Context But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the Way before the multitude, he departed from them and withdrew the disciples, reasoning daily in the school of Tyrannus. Heb 3:13 - Show Context but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Larry, is that what you call "not much."??? This doesn't even include the references to hardening that don't actually use the word "harden" but use other words, like "blind," "calloused," and "deaf." Hmmm, if the number of times a concept mentioned in scripture is valid a reason to dismiss a scriptural doctrine then let's see what else we should blindly dismiss: How often is "totally depravity" mentioned? Never How often is the "irresistable calling" mentioned? Never (even the references to this 'irresistable calling' that Calvinists use are very vague and there are only two of them) And how often is "predestination" mentioned? 3 verses. Larry goes on to write: Really? I connect it to what it describes: THE NATURE OF MAN. You don't think that has anything to do with our discussion on this board? Larry, what exactly does Totally depravity deal with if its not the nature of man? Scripture clearly shows that the reason people cannot believe, hear, understand, see and turn to God is directly connected to hardening (Acts 28, Mark 4, Matt. 13, John 12 etc) You say the reason people cannot believe, hear, understand, see and turn to God is directly connected to TOTALLY DEPRAVITY, which is never mentioned in the scripture. Are there two reasons people cannot respond? If so, why does scripture only teach one of them and not the other. Hardening is clearly laid out as the reason, Calvinists must rely upon speculation and implications to derive their reason. And you think this doesn't matter!!!! This only proves that you have no grasp of the real issues that have seperated these two views throughout history. It also proves that your stance is one based upon ignorance instead of knowledge. At least Calvinists who acknowledge and address these arguments as being relevant take their stand after dealing with these arguments honestly, you on the other hand, ignorantly dismiss them as being irrelevant to our discussion. I'm sorry but I can't respect that.