SDA hospitals perform ABORTIONS

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  1. targus

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    I don't know how anyone claiming to be 'bible-believing' could defend such! Their view on abortion is that it is admisable under "certain" conditions. When you read the criteria on their official webpage, it is obviously 'pro-choice' language. That's not a red flag, it's a loudly ringing bell that something is terribly wrong!
     
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    Seventh-Day Adventists and abortion

    "Christians of all denominations are gathering on the National Mall today to protest the 38th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide. But one denomination that may be sparsely represented is Seventh-day Adventists whose large worldwide network of 170 hospitals allows elective abortions."

    http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2011/01/adventists_and_abortion.html

    I'm hoping that Bob Ryan can shed some light on this. Perhaps he has something in his large SDA data base that he can cut and paste with copious amounts of bolding and underlining of words to explain this hypocrisy away.
     
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    After reading the SDA position on abortion I am amazed that Bob would point fingers at 'cultural Catholics' when the leadership of his own church thinks abortions are OK under certain 'criteria' and their own hospitols and doctors perform them. I can't wait to hear the spin myself! And he can say what he wants about the Catholic Church but they’ve managed to maintain a consistent pro-life witness and doctrine quite un-like what we are learning about the SDA. The SDA position on abortion and their practice of abortion in the hospitols is a stench in the nostrils of God!

    Churches that have taken the road the SDA has taken (actually SDA's have performed abortions since the 70's) have continued to compromise the clear teaching of scripture to the point of:

    http://www.worldmag.com/2009/05/the_blessing_of_abortion
     
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    I might add that the next time Bob brings up how many people have been murdered at the hands of Catholics I might want to ask him how many innocent babies have been murdered in SDA hospitols around the world at the hands of SDA doctors since the 70's. Bet it would shock everyone on this board!

    I read a story of a refugee camp in Sangkhia, Thailand in the 1980's where thousands of Vietnamese refugees had crossed into Thailand. There were many of the women that had been raped by marauding fishermen. When these women arrived in the refugee camp in Thailand a whole lot of them turned out to be pregnant as a result of the rapes. The Catholic physicians in the camp, of course, refused to do the abortions that these women asked for. So the women turned to SDA physicians who performed them!

    Apparently many SDA's don't know about their churches position on abortion. My SDA friend tells me it is kept 'hush-hush' in most SDA churches. They operate an extensive network of hospitals around the world, to which many women turn to to have their babies murdered. Their reasoning seems to be, 'if we don't do them they will just go somewhere else and get them done'. Are they following the money instead of the bible? Targus is right. SDA's go on and on about the 4th commandment but the 6th doesn't matter? Whats up with that? Seventh Day Adventists are sacrificing at the altar of Molech everyday. What an abomination!
     
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    One murdered infant is one too many.
     
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    Absolutely!! And we need to send the message to Bob and the leadership of the SDA: Abortion can never be legitimate if intentionally done, even if merely “as a means” to a good end. From the official SDA website: "Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman That has pro-choice written all over it!! I've seen the 'moral dilemma' excuse used over and over to justify abortion. It can mean just about anything the woman wants it to mean and the SDA knows that! Their statement is so slimy it makes me sick!

    Lord God, thank you for creating human life in your image.
    Thank you for my life and the lives of those I love.
    Thank you for teaching us through the Scripture the value you place on life.
    Help me uphold the sanctity of life in my church and community.
    Give me the strength to stand up to those forces that seek to destroy the lives of those most vulnerable, the unborn, the infirm and elderly.
    Today, I commit myself to never be silent, to never be forgetful of respecting life; I commit myself to protecting and defending the sacredness of life, according to your will.
    Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
     
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    What about Catholic Hospitals ? Are they performing no abortions?

    Is there any major General Hospital in North America refusing abortion?
     
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    Catholic hospitals routinely refuse to perform abortions, Eliyahu. It would be a major violation of Church teaching and there would be big trouble for a Catholic hospital that allowed one. I'm guessing there are hospitals that still have Catholic names that have long ceased affiliation with the Catholic Church that may permit them but I don't know.
     
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    What excuse does the SDA offer?

    "The excuse Neal Wilson, the then president of the (SDA) General Conference gave to the public was as follows:

    Though we walk the fence, Adventists lean toward abortion rather than against it. Because we realize we are confronted by big problems of hunger and overpopulation, we do not oppose family planning and appropriate endeavors to control population.”

    Imagine the seriousness of an argument as this one: It meant that, since there were too many human beings in the world and that many of them were starving, it was morally acceptable for the “Remnant” church of God to start killing some of the most vulnerable members of the human race in the richest country of the world; a country which had an abundant oversupply of food which the U.S. shared with the rest of the world through its food assistance program."

    http://adventlife.wordpress.com/201...t-with-the-abortion-industry-by-nic-samojluk/

    Well that is one SDA's excuse. I wonder what Bob Ryan's excuse is.
     
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    Do you have any record showing the refusal by Catholic Hospitals etc?

    Because I know St Joseph hospital run by Catholic people here never refuse the abortions.

    Messianic Jews often stand in front of the Catholic Hospitals, campaigning the pro-life too.

    Also, we know many Holy Mother hospitals and Sacred Heart Hospitals in South Korea performs abortions.

    I think Mount Sinai run by Jews is not the exception either.

    There must be huge hypocrisy in this field, becsue abortion is done secretly in most cases.
     
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    Bob Ryan brought the article saying the Catholic Abortion rate is higher than protestants by 29%.

    If Catholic hospitals do not perform the abortion, then are the Catholic doing abortions at SDA hospitals and other hospitals?

    Then it is another Hypocrisy~
     
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    Then 'St. Joseph's' is Catholic in name only and not 'run by Catholic people'.
    Redlands University here in California is a 'Baptist' university but everyone I know that has attended there realizes it lost any of it's Baptist moorings a long, long time ago. It has a gay student union (pride center) and students have no chapel or any religious studies requirements to fulfill as they once did many years ago. It has become known as a party school by many.

    No Catholic hospital (not hospitals built by Catholics that are no longer affliated with the Church ) is allowed to perform abortions.
     
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    If you read that thread it is pointed out that the 'Catholics' that make up 'those who are having abortions' are the ones that hardly knew which box to check when the paperwork at the ER asked 'Religious Preference'. These 'Catholics' probably do not pass through the doors of any church except maybe for a wedding or funeral. My 'Baptist' neighbors are the same way. I was amazed that Bob Ryan would post something like that when his church officially condones abortion with a whole bunch of hazy 'if's' and then at the end say it is really the mother's 'choice' and that the SDA church does not want to interfere with the 'conscience' of the mother.

    Any Catholic that follows the teachings of the Church knows that abortion is an abomination to the Lord and would not have one performed or help to have one performed.
     
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    How sad that a child of God could stay a member of a denomination which blatantly condones sin against God's moral standards. If my denomination ever condoned murder (abortion) for ANY reason or condoned homosexuality for any reason I would withdraw my membership immediately and find another church. I would not care if they were fantastically sound on all other points of doctrine, it would not matter to me, they would no longer be supported by my money nor God given gifts.

    It appears this evidence concerning the SDA doctrine on abortion is true. That would end it for me for considering them a church I would attend. And if the Catholic church is involved in this as well through the hospitals they support, even though they officially are absolute pro-life, it would be hypocrisy and I could not attend a Catholic church either. Same goes for any denomination condoning homosexuality.
     
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    I can assure you that the Catholic Church is not involved in this. I had this conversation with another Protestant who came back to me with 'St. Luke's/Roosevelt in NYC performs abortions'. St. Lukes/Roosevelt was at one time affiliated with The Episcopal Church, not the Catholic Church. Not that The Episcopal Church would ever dream of preventing an abortion from happening.

    I totally completely agree with your statement 'If my denomination ever condoned murder (abortion) for ANY reason or condoned homosexuality for any reason I would withdraw my membership immediately and find another church'. :thumbs:
     
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    Amen! I'm not sure about the Catholic connection, I pray you are correct. But the SDA is flat out condoning abortion even in their own official statements. I could never be a member of their church. Folks like BobRyan should petition their leadership and work to have this sin repented of, I sure hope he does not think the SDA official position is an acceptable Christian position to have. If you are reading this thread Bob, I would like to know if you personally believe this SDA position is acceptable?
     
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    Deleted by myself. Posted on wrong thread.
     
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    Bumped for BobRyan
     
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    On the issue of abortion, yes Baptists have a common belief with the RCC as compared to the SDA. However, that one issue does not make the RCC any closer to the truth of Scripture than the SDA is. They are both basically cults, for different reasons.
     

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