SDA - inspired writings?

What is your agenda here?
If he has given you at least one book that is 600+ pages, then why not start there. If you believe there is a much more detailed list than the one book he gave you, should not the onus be on you to dig it up through your own research, and not him?
I am sure there is enough written in The Great Controversy" to satisfy your curiosity about the SDA.

 

GE
You can find ALL EG White's writing on the internet. Just enter EG White and take it from there. It is that easy. Really, you give me the creeps.

 

I have a question.

I don't find Ellen's writings inspired by God and I don't see her writings as anything more than a preacher's pov. But my question is, what has Ellen said that is harmful to a Christain's walk with God?

Yes, you might believe she is a bad teacher of scripture, but that aside, what has she taught that is just flat out bad advice for Christian living?

God Bless! :jesus:

 

Originally Posted by targus
Non-responsive to the question at hand.

Those posts provided no list of Ellen White's "inspired" writings.

Focus, Bob, focus.

I am asking you for a LIST of titles of all of Ellen White's writings that SDA consider to be "inspired".

GE
You can find ALL EG White's writing on the internet. Just enter EG White and take it from there. It is that easy. Really, you give me the creeps

GE
I retract, You are correct Targus, SDAs in their church will praise Mrs White above the Bible, but towards 'the world' of sinners like you and me, they are too scared and timid to admit it. Of course they won't say ALL her writings are 'inspired'. So you will keep on asking in vain for a 'listing' of her 'inspired' writings.

I have found that some places she does write 'good' stuff. But as a whole it's false doctrine; and this false doctrine brings the few 'good' things she wrote, under suspision - cancel it out, and acually prove the whole lot, falsity --- because it reveals itself plagiarism: no one is able to compose his own original 'stuff' with so much contradictory elements.

It is like listening to McCarthey's 'Yesterday', few people will recognise for 'borrowed' from the second piano sonata of Rachmaninof.

 

Steaver,
"Yes, you might believe she is a bad teacher of scripture, but that aside, what has she taught that is just flat out bad advice for Christian living?"

GE
What kind of question is this, Steaver? You cannot just 'put that aside', because her being a "bad teacher of scripture", EXACTLY "is just flat out bad advice for Christian living", to which nothing can be worse.

 

Sorry GE,

What I mean is her teaching of doctrines such as "soul sleep" may be wrong just as many fine Christians teach no pre-trib rapture or no OSAS and are wrong, But does this have anything to do with loving thy neighbor as thyself? These doctrines do not really harm a Christian's walk with Jesus do they?

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

GE
Yes, you are right. But let me tell you, These doctrines really make it difficult for a Christian to love his neighbour as he should - they really do. Because, if one love true doctrine, how can he live in peace with and love his 'brother' who - let's be honest - hates what he believes is true doctrine?

And what you say could never be accepted as an excuse for those errors!

 

As already stated - the SDA view on doctrine is NOT "Ellen White" but "Sola scriptura".

IF one "has a point" to make about SDA doctrine they "have the Bible" and SDAs are able to read. Go ahead and "make the point" if you have one.

This "all Ellen White all the time focus" of Targus and some others is just wrong headed.

The bible is there - use it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I accept the teaching of the SDA & it's leader's writings as being valid methods of Bible interpertation. I do not agree with everyting in them. If I wasn't still busy being a Baptist I'd probably go be a member of an Assembly of God (AoG) church or maybe a Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) - which ever was closest to my house.

My Grandfather Edd with two 'd's was over 18 in 1917. I have his 22, his Ellen White book and his Uriah Smith book on Daniel & Revelation. I have read them both (I've had them over 40 years now). They are interesting and like 98% RIGHT ON.

I've also found most Southern Baptist sources on other religions don't know what they are talking about. I know what the SDAs are saying. IMHO their biggest boo-boo is:

Sunday Worship is the Mark of the Beast (MoB).

'Mark, Mark' - the bark of a cleft lip dog.

 

understood - differing opinions welcomed.:thumbs:

AS for the predictions regarding a future MOB -- on the one hand it is like predicting an earth quake in Dallas Texas just before the 2nd coming. If it doesn't happen the prediction is wrong.

On the other hand it also has doctrinal attributes like the premis that "Sabbath means something" -- obviously if doctrinally it can be proven now that the Ten Commandments have no meaning or that at least the 4th commandment is meaningless to God - then again no need to wait for the 2nd coming to "disprove" the SDA interpretation of Rev 13 and 14.

in Christ,

Bob

 

GE
Your logic is sound; your suppositions of other's supposed preconceptions, not. I cannot say I have seen one noteworthy critic of the Sabbath or Seventh Day Adventism that holds: "that the Ten Commandments have no meaning or that at least the 4th commandment is meaningless to God." Your beloved Moody is a good example.

 

Now you have available my critique on SDA 'inspired' writings of Mrs E.G. White with reference to her book, "The Desire of Ages", chapters 8 and 9 about the Resurrection and Appearances - mainly.

'Save the Sabbath 1' and 2 are there now. I hope '3' will go on this weekend still - depending on how busy my son who does it, will be.
The URL is, http://www.biblestudents.co.za

I have over the many years of my research on the Bible Doctrine of the Sabbath deliberately ignored Seventh Day Adventism because the message of the Bible concerning the Sabbath Day does not in the least depend on SDA-ism or Mrs White.

I decided to pay attention to the SDA side of the issue very recently - because they made me so angry I could catch snakes (as we say in Afrikaans). And did I lift the lid on a nest of snakes! I was unable to believe what I have found. Now for the first time I could understand why Christianity in one front opposed the Sabbath so. But go read and see for yourself.

Let me just mention, Look out for their 'Investigative Judgment' dogma right here in the Resurrection-story, how Christ was raised from the dead, its the horror movie of all times before your eyes.

 

Each time someone calls "Daniel 7 a horror movie" you are learning something "About that person".

Buyer beware.

Kinda like - anytime someone denies that "Christ is our passover lamb who HAS been slain for us" - buyer beware.

Which is like the situation of someone denying that Christ is the "atoning SACRIFICE" of Lev 16 but his High Priestly ministry in Heb 8 does not apply the way Lev 16 says that it does to the "Day of Atonement".

I.E -- better to just stick with the Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The Sinister

Who raised Christ from the dead?

Almost audibly answers the devout Seventh Day Adventist, ‘We read her (Mrs White’s) Testimony in the Spirit of Prophecy, ‘The Desire of Ages’, chapter, “The lord is Risen”, based on Matthew 28:2-4, 11-15,

“The soldiers see him (the angel) removing the stone ... and hear, him, cry, Son of God, come forth; thy Father calls Thee. They see Jesus come forth ….” “... based on Matthew 28:2-4, 11-15”! Based on the Word of God; based on what the soldiers had seen; based on ‘Inspiration’, based on ‘the Spirit of Prophecy’, the angel, called Jesus. Jesus was called by the angel to go to the Father ... after having been “taken up into heaven”, Acts 1:11, not when He rose from the dead!

‘John 20:17 and Hebrews 8:4’, say the same devout Seventh Day Adventist, ‘tell us why Mrs White declares it was the angel who ‘called’ Jesus to “come forth”, that is, to ‘come out’ of the grave. ‘Come out’, your Father is not here; He is not in there with you, He calls you through me, his messenger, ‘angel’. Mrs White is a word-artist; her canvas does not show the Father, not because “Thou shalt make no image” of Him, but because He is far away, ‘in heaven’, ‘in the sanctuary in heaven’ – that’s why He sent me, his angel, to ‘call’ you!

Who raised Lazarus from the dead? How, with which Words and with which Voice? — “(Jesus) cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth! And he that was dead came forth.” Jn11:43/44.

Do I argue from something’s absence? If you think so, hear this, Mrs White,

“He (Christ) slept in the tomb, and on the morning of the resurrection, He said, I am not yet ascended to, My Father.” p 67 §3.
The Father wasn’t present when Jesus was raised from the dead, is her whole point. Jesus made no atonement on earth, He was not Priest of God on earth, He first had to ‘go to heaven’ (From where the Father sent the angel to go and ‘call’ Christ from the grave.) where the Father waited for Him ‘in the first ‘room’ of the ‘sanctuary in heaven’, and there, where and when He would be with the Father, there will He ‘make atonement’ for the sins of the whole world. Mrs White will not have, the Father, raising Christ from the dead! More than enough is it to know – to have discovered in fact – the basis of all Mrs White’s draconic dogma, consists in the alleged absence of the Father in the Resurrection of Christ from the dead. Not I, but Mrs White, argues from absence, from her concocted absence of the Father in the resurrection of Christ. According to Mrs White the implication is the Father also did not descend to Christ. If the Father was not there, then whose voice cried the word, ‘Come forth!’? With justification, who, does Mrs White say, raised Christ from the dead? In this place, by logical implication as well as by written word?

Of Jonah who is a type of Christ: “The shipmaster came to him, and said to him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? Arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God might think upon us, that we perish not.” (1:6)

The Call of the Caller from the dead, is Call obeyed, is Call answered, is Call returned— returned by Him who has the Power over death and grave.

“I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto Thee, into thine holy temple. I will offer unto Thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that I vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.” (2:7,9) Christ “by the glory of the Father” was raised from the dead.

The obedience, the answer, the return, the Call of the Called from the dead is by the Power of Him who calls from the dead and grave. “According that God was able to raise Him up, even from the dead; from whence also He received Him in (Truth).” Hb11:19. (Of Christ even more than of Isaac.) “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again: This commandment, have I received from my Father.” John 10:17-18.

Jesus obeyed the Father’s Call when He laid down his life. “I came to do thy Will, o God!” Jesus obeyed the Father’s Call when He took up his life again. No man took from Christ his life— not man or angel; no man called Christ from the grave— not man or angel. The Cry of Life, the Voice of the Father was it, which it had to be, that called Jesus Christ both to lay down his life and to take up his life again.

The Call, the Cry, the Voice, is the Father’s, or Christ died not for sin, nor rose from the grave for righteousness.

 

This is antichrist that says Christ came not into death in the flesh, but feigned; this is antichrist that says Christ came not from death in the flesh, but came in the minds of man. This is antichrist that denies the Power of God the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit to call the Son of God from the grave of the dead.

If it had been one or two, even three, literal, factual mistakes or doubtful instances, Mrs White still might have been regarded honest, ordinary and well meaning. Just one instance of wrong or doubtful ‘testimony’ though, seeing her Church and she insist she is ‘Inspiration’, ‘the Spirit of prophecy’, ‘the Lord’s servant’, etc., should prove her a false prophet. But, with every page bristling with mistakes and falseties ... one should ask oneself, what is it I’m wasting my time on? But there are honest people out there, who are deceived. (1) And more, there is a Truth of the Word, mutilated. (2) I have a duty, may only one other than myself in this big world read .... (3) There is the Sabbath of the LORD your God, the Lord’s Day, at the mercy of the Seventh Day Adventists (4).

A man who is not sure of himself, resorts to aggression. In physical combat the losing man more and more relies on defence, because his body— by the reality of his humanness, forces him. In ‘spiritual’ or ‘religious’ warfare, the loser more and more relies on attack, by the surrealism of his arrogance and temerity. With her every next statement Mrs White becomes more aggressive and more assertive.

 

These posts are so vaccuous and a-factual it has me wondering if "there is any limit" GE -- well... "is there"?

At some point you should just throw the shovel away and opt for "facts" and "the Bible" instead of diatribe after vaccuous diatribe.

Just a suggestion --

in Christ,

Bob

 

Not 'factual'? Yes, from SDA point of view.

SDAs and Mrs E.G. White teach;

Fact 1 : Jesus' death in the grave is the basis for, reason why, and essence of The Seventh Day Sabbath Rest of God and for men.

Fact2 : Faith is not by hearing, but by seeing, 'based on' - SDA-White fact a: The guard saw Him rise from the dead; fact b: the guard told "the wonderful news". Denying, fact 3: The angel told the women; denying fact 4: Jesus sent the women: Go tell!

Fact 3 of denial - blasphemous, boisterous, unrepented, haughty claim: The Father's absence when an angel called forth Christ from the dead.

Fact 4 of denial: Christ made final and full atonement for sin in that God raised him from the dead in and through and by the Glory of the Father, which glory is solely the full Fellowship of God, the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit IN RAISING CHRIST FROM THE DEAD AND GRAVE.

Fact upon fact upon truth upon truth denied!

 

These White-SDA claims are so vaccuous and a-factual, where at first I never could imagine them possible for anyone calling himself a Christian, they now have me wondering if "there is any limit" 'SDA-White alliance'-wise?

 

You have arrived at the point you should just throw away your haughtiness and opt for "facts" and "the Bible" instead. Your vaccuous diatribe only hardens your heart and stifles your pride further to the point it must bend the least before truth it must break.

Not just a suggestion -- a statement of certainty.

 

It was the first time in my life I picked up the book 'The Desire of Ages'. I still am shocked ...
If anyone may want to see the 'facts' one after the other, point by point of 'Ellen White versus Matthew', versus the four Gospels, versus THE Gospel, Read 'Save the Sabbath', from http://www.biblestudents.co.za